Took a lot of years to get that honest wear and patina. Really in nice shape IMHO. I wouldn't dream of shining it up. It has character as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by brothers
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Took a lot of years to get that honest wear and patina. Really in nice shape IMHO. I wouldn't dream of shining it up. It has character as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by brothers
Here is my new W.M. Greaves stub tail. At least it is now since someone cut the tail down. It's an oldie with the WR on the tang.
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Nice job on the John Barber scales and the flowered stacked washers look great. Nice idea. These big boys are great shavers as you probably know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY
Any info on gratian warranted would be awesome. Will try and post pics. Smart phones not being cooperative.
Hello everybody, i'm browsing the forums for a while but never posted before so this is my first post.
I just loved everything i've seen on this thread since I recently found myself as a stub tail lover.
As for now I don't own too many stub-tail/very early razor but I'm definitely doing my best trying to place my hand on some...
I have in my possession three old French razors with no tail at all (two of them comes in a nice honing case).
But my favorite is the j.cam.patent that i've rescaled just today! These scales were removed from another old french razor and seems to be made from a horn.
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Hasn't been a post in a while here, so here's a bunch of stubbies :)
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The crazy thing about this is I was just sitting here thinking, " I wonder if it'd be rude to ask Scienceguy or Voidmonster to post up some shots of a big bunch of their REALLY old stuff." So, thanks for reading my mind! :)
Since posting that one picture I realized I left out about 7 razors, but some of them are in pretty bad shape, and I have this nagging suspicion that there's an 8th that I'm forgetting about.Quote:
Originally Posted by regularjoe
Well I hate to post the same pic in a bunch of places but since this thread just got brought back up I just did a restoration on this John Barber stub tail!
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Heres a razor I picked up at a antique shop for $5....and Idea on what the inlay is? When made ?
Thanks, as I am really new to this straight razor community!
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Welcome to SRP. I'm afraid the thumbnail you posted is too small to tell anything. A larger photo, + a close up of the inlay and any mfgs stamping on the tang might yield some results.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABWEEDER
THanks...here are some more pics...hopefully they will help.Attachment 129276Attachment 129277Attachment 129278
Not enough resolution for these old eyes. Here is a larger version, maybe someone can tell you something ;
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Sorry...I just used my phone..Maybe I can post some better images tomorrow
Looks like it says "WARRANTED" to me...
Can you get a full resolution picture? This one's really hard to see.
Looks like "warranted" as well. Lots of the stubbies were stamped as such. Great old scales and may be the originals, hard to tell but certainly the same period as the blade. Not sure about the inlay. My guess is that it dates to the 1820-1830 period. Five bucks was a real deal. Congrats on this find. Love those stubbies!Quote:
Originally Posted by ABWEEDER
Here's some more I haven't pictured yet...
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Hello!
Here is the one of the last razor I found in an antics market!
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A G.Smith in bad shape!
S Norris cast steel
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Beautiful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Traskrom
Great looking razor! NORRIS, SAMUELQuote:
Originally Posted by Traskrom
Sheffield
1795 - 1815
Samuel Norris (1795-1815), used trademark ‘*P wondering if its the same person?
I've posted it to the "That 1700 show" thread but it sure qualified for this one as well :rolleyes:
My S.Norris stuby
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I don't know any other manufacturer the with name S. Norris. Should be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
i think i fall in love with this kind of razors. but i think they hard to find.
According to one expert, the P and star, or other symbol, are an indication of the metal alloyed in the steel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
~Geezer
It isn't 'I. Barber' - the 'I' is the latinised version of 'J' a popular way of doing things at one time. The maker was John Barber. John Barber was apprenticed in 1802 and was making cutlery and flatware in the 1820s as well as strops and razors. In 1823 the company was at 29 South Street, Sheffield, before moving to Norfolk Street in 1828. After his death in 1834 the company continued as John Barber & Son. In 1839 they were also advertising themselves as successors to George Shepherd and were using the well-known Shepherd 'Wolf' mark - which was used by a variety of makers and has already confused many on this forum as to the true identity of the razor maker. Marks were 'fluid' things and often changed hands, it seems. The company died in stages. The 'Old English' line of razors was sold off to Stephen Martin in 1847. In 1864 another John Barber - the grandson of the original John Barber - set up in the razor and cutlery business at the Portland Works in West Street, and used the old marks. The company did not survive after 1871 and never re-emerged again. But their marks did - they were used by Hall & Colley and Joseph Elliot.Quote:
Originally Posted by strawinski
Regards,
Neil
I could have sworn there was also an Isaac Barber who was specifically trading on the confusion between J and I, who John Barber took to court (also for using the OLD ENGLISH mark). Sheffield Indexers lists Isaac Barber (razor, etc mfr) as being in White's 1834 directory, but I can't find the actual entry, so my dubiousness alarms go off a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Of the razors I've seen, I. Barber razors don't seem to be made to quite the same standards as J. Barber, at least for the quality of stamping and uniformity, but it's always so hard to know if that's an artifact of small sample sizes...
It could have been William Beach or one of his family. He was born in 1793 (some say 1796) in Salisbury. Although he exhibited at the 1851 Exhibition, he is known to have been active from at least 1829 form his address at No1. Catherine Street, Salisbury, Wiltshire. He married a woman called Susan and they had 10 (I think!) children, among them a number of boys. The eldest boy - another William, was listed as an office clerk in the 1851 census, but another - Charles - was listed as a cutler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangooner
In 1848 he was known as a cutler and a medical instrument maker. He was also bankrupt:
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So he either came back again with another trade name or under the trade name of one of his sons. So your razor could have "Beach & Son" or "Beach & Co" or something similar on the tang.
I don't get the bottom bit at all, though. Can't think what it could be, but it is not Salisbury!
Regards,
Neil
Could well be, Zak - the original Old English John Barber razors tended to have his corporate mark on them, the masonic square and compass. That was pointed out on the advertisement warning agains 'I. Barber' razors taken out by John Barber & Sons.
I should have remembered that, especially as I compile the following chronology myself some time ago!
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Regards,
Neil
You have no idea how shocked I am that my brain was functioning that well. Between the moldy carpets and the miasma of Marsdens I'm wading through, everything is blurry!Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Neil, my friend, you have served another tumbler of delicious information. This is good stuff. Thanks.
Geezer - have a look at this thread, particularly post #8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geezer
The mark belonged to Matthew Norris of Fox & Norris before it was passed onto Samuel.
I think you are thinking of the alloys formulated by Faraday and Stodart, made into razors by Stodart with a letter to indicate the alloying agent within a circle.
Regards,
Neil
The stub tail\old shavers section in my collection...finally pull them out for some shootings.
Sorry for the low quality, I took it using my phone.
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W. Greaves, before Greaves and Sons, around 1815 (before 1817),
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Joseph Elliot, around 1820,
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Holtzapffel, Charing Cross, not sure about the datation.
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Thaeris, you and OrSh have some great stuff there. I've never seen a Greaves that early. Or an Elliot. :tu
Thank you :)
I'm pretty happy to be the owner of those ones !
OrSh sure has nice razors, I especially like his Pradier and his Silver Steel encrusted, and the ones of the middle, Robert Warranted, P and the Bengall one. :hmmm:
Just got my first pressed horn razor. I couldn't identify the maker but I'm pretty sure that I've seen this mark in the past...
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Wright Cast steel
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