Thread: Crown & No.1 brass inlays - any info anyone?

I think mine looks a bit like the Portugese, German, Belgian & Russian "Princes Coronet"
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This is as good an explanation as any.

Royal Crown and Cypher - Royal Symbols and Titles - Crown in Canada

One is the symbol of the crown chosen by the monarch. And the symbol that should be used to represent that monarch.

The other is the signature of the monarch.

The Cypher is used on guns because each bears her signature. The coat of arms goes on things that gain the crowns approval.

I was basically going by the crowns used on the rank badges worn in the Canadian Navy. From the RCN's establishment in 1910 till about 1954 the rank badges of ratings that contained crowns where of the Rex type and post 1954 the Regina type. The change in type of crowns would coincide with QEII becoming the British Monarch. From 1910 till 1953 all British monarchs were males.

Bob

It's a generic Sheffield 'Silver Steel' razor from a paired set made in the 1820's.

The crown on the scales was the same crown used on every single CROWN + Initials stamp or mark I've seen on cutlery, from the earliest George IVth items up to George V.


(George IV)



(William III)



(Victoria)


(George V)

Thanks Voidmonster
Like the the photos are they of your own?
Would be good if the blade actually had some other markings like yours but it gets me closer for sure cheers D

Interesting that the Sheffield makers made no distinction between male and female monarchs by the type of crown used. Never noticed that before.

Bob

Originally Posted by Substance

Thanks Voidmonster
Like the the photos are they of your own?
Would be good if the blade actually had some other markings like yours but it gets me closer for sure cheers D

Yeah, that's some of my crown-stamped razors (and some not razors, and one razor that's not mine).

There were a lot of razors made in Sheffield without a maker's stamp, but that doesn't mean they weren't made by the same workers who made the more famous brands. If the razor has survived from the 1820's until now, chances are it's top quality. Even the cheap copies in the 1820's were awesome!

Originally Posted by BobH

Interesting that the Sheffield makers made no distinction between male and female monarchs by the type of crown used. Never noticed that before.

Bob

I suspect that the gendered crowns thing is pretty recent. Either way though, it wasn't just the Sheffielders who did it. J. Weiss was a London shop, and that razor was made after 1910.

Originally Posted by Voidmonster

I suspect that the gendered crowns thing is pretty recent. Either way though, it wasn't just the Sheffielders who did it. J. Weiss was a London shop, and that razor was made after 1910.

Could easily be only a military thing going back to at least 1910 in our Naval Service. I suspect that was carried over from the RN as most of our naval traditions were from the RN.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

Ah, no expert on crowns but remember being told that a Regina crown was recognizable because it had breasts and that sorta sticks in your mind. Where is Neil Miller when you need him?

Bob

What is it about female breasts that remind you of me, Bob? Admittedly I have a rather spiffing pair, but I don't remember showing them to you....

AFAIK and as Voidmonster as already said, they used a generic-type crown - what ever came to hand basically. They were not so cavalier with tang markings, though long-running companies like JR tended to use tang stamps without to much thought about who was on the throne, so neither the crown on the scales nor the tang stamp can be used to give us a definite date, just a range, which 9 times out of 10 is too broad to be meaningful.

Regards,
Neil