Thread: gratian warranted snub tail

Originally Posted by Martin103

From this thread,http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...r-help-id.html with the same razor! But the info is from Goins i believed!

The dating for Hall is Goins and the trademark picture from Gales and Martin, and Why do you ask?

Just wondering about the difference between 1787 and the date range of 1795-1835.

One was sold in Robt. Doyle's online auction of Judge Lummus' razors and I believe Joe Edson purchased one similar

I bought a few pieces from that sale but sadly all are gone

I found link to pics of Joe's Gratian... he is not around much lately...

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...65#post2915365

Originally Posted by ScienceGuy

Just wondering about the difference between 1787 and the date range of 1795-1835.

Good point but that why i mentioned "give or take a few" meaning years, there a quite a few examples of Hall being in business from 1795-1835, the Gales and Martin book online is actually from 1889? and also was reprinted quite a few times before that as well, so was it revised? it wouldnt be the first error in the Goins book for sure!

Yeah, there's not a lot of information about Jonathan Hall.

He does not show up in the 1774 edition of Gales & Martin, but he is in the 1787 edition (the original, as well as the reprints).

For what it's worth, although there are kind of a lot of apprentices named Jonathan Hall listed in the Cutler's Company, there's one that slots neatly into the known (and suspected) time frame.

Jonathan Hall, son of Jonathan Hall at Dove House, cutler of Ecclesall, deceased -- apprenticed to Georgius Smith, cutler in 1780, freed 1783.

The normal apprenticeship was 7 years, but that entry makes it fairly clear that Jonathan was apprenticed to his father, who died partway through his apprenticeship, where Georgius Smith took over.

Georgius Smith is listed in the 1774 edition of Gales & Martin as a razor-maker with the mark G. SMITH (not to be confused with GEORGE Smith & Sons who used the marks (cross) SMITH / T S / and LEIPZIG).

In any event, after the late 1700's, Jonathan Hall's record is extremely spotty. By 1829 he was advertising as a merchant, factor and manufacturer on Union Lane. In the 1833 directory, the same address was listed as John & William Hall, suggesting Jonathan had died.

In the same timeframe, there was also a Jonathan Hall who made nail clippers and nippers, but that was a completely separate person. There was also a file cutter and a knife maker of the same name, around the same time.