Thread: Stubtail Info Please

Originally Posted by mjclark

Ok thanks! So we've established that it doesn't qualify as a stubtail.

So what date would you put on this razor, as per my original question?

If my reply (No. 2) and guitstik's reply (No 9) were nor courteous and helpful and contained what we thought about your razor, I can only conclude that english is not your first language. That's your problem, not mine.

As for your plaintive cry of '...where do I search...' you have already been directed to the Stubtail Shavers sub group of this forum. Do us all a favour - use a bit of initiative.

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

If my reply (No. 2) and guitstik's reply (No 9) were nor courteous and helpful and contained what we thought about your razor, I can only conclude that english is not your first language. That's your problem, not mine.

As for your plaintive cry of '...where do I search...' you have already been directed to the Stubtail Shavers sub group of this forum. Do us all a favour - use a bit of initiative.

Regards,
Neil

I think you're being rude now Neil, which doesn't become a man of your talents and reputation.
Don't get in a strop!

I'm sorry that we've got off on such a bad footing and hope that we can communicate better in future

I'll certainly have a good look at those links, although I'm still baffled as to why a "Please suggest a date for this razor" question has aroused so much bad temper.

Asking people with superior knowledge for help constitutes part of my research in itself.

So for now I'll describe that razor as an Ingram Swayback...

Honestly, for me the real issue here is the nasty bleach stained blanket the razor is photographed on....and, what did the members of the forum of which you have been a long time member of say, surely you asked them first?

Rude? I just don't suffer nonsense or foolish people cheerfully, that's all.

From the info you have received it is clear that the razor could span a number of years, but because of lack of a place of origin stamp (McKinley Tariff Act) it is probably 1880s - 1891. Although you could get round the act - labelling the original box with place of origin would effect that, as well as a number of other ingenious ways, all of which you will find if you search for it (hint: to find things out about the McKinley Tariff Act search for 'Mckinley Tariff Act' - clear enough?).

You then ask about curved scales, font and horn as being indicators - they are not, except in a very broad sense. Horn scales were used routinely for hundreds of years, and you still found them used in the early part of the 20th century. Some makers still use horn. Font? Different type faces have always been available and old ones like gothic and old english are still used. Something that would point to an early rather than later date is a peculiarity like the long 's' that resembles an 'f' but we do not see this in block capitals. Curved scales - used for a good couple of hundred years. None of those things are specific enough for a decent date.

I think it was made for Fredk. F. Ingram - I already told you that early on - and the date this company was formed was 1885 - I already told you that, too, so that effectively gives the earliest date for the razor - you should have been able to work this out for yourself.

You were pointed to the sub forum to investigate further - which you chose not to do for some foolhardy reason or other.

You persisted in calling it a stubtail when it clearly is not.

You ask where to search and for hints when you have already been given both.

Lastly, asking for a date has not aroused bad temper - your ignoring everything that has been said or suggested to you has done that.

I don't really know why I was not rude!
In conclusion you go ahead and call it what you like and date it as you like - it matters not a jot to me, anymore - I have had enough of this subject.

Regards,
Neil

So to sum up: it is a stubtail, made by or for Ingram in 1820.