Thread: Laminated steel on frameback J.A. Hellberg?

Hi,

One of my last purchases includes a frameback J.A. Hellberg
It has laminated steel as seen on pics, I first thought it wasn't real but
after polishing one side, the pattern didn't disappear, it even came more to life,
it's very hard steel and easy to get a incredible sharp edge! I have never had a razor that is SO SHARP,and easy to hone, really HHT 5!




When googling, I found no "laminated Swedish frameback's"

Does anyone know anything about them?

The razor has "Trolhätte Diamond steel" stamped on the spine,
I need to clean it up more, and put some new scales on it, couldn't wait to post this...

Thanks!

If truly Laminted,put some ferric chloride on it,will make it truly show the laminations.

I don’t think that it is laminated in the modern sense (the deliberate use of different steel alloys to produce contrasting layers, i.e. pattern welding).

Rather it is an artefact of the steel production, using the cementation process to form blister steel bars, which were then processed into shear steel by forge welding (Cementation process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Crucible steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ blister steel).

I believe the subtle pattern is due to the very slight difference in the alloy (as a result of the impurities) of each of the blister steel bars. This effect (and the cause) is similar to that seen in traditional Japanese swords.

Originally Posted by DrDalton

I don’t think that it is laminated in the modern sense (the deliberate use of different steel alloys to produce contrasting layers, i.e. pattern welding).

Rather it is an artefact of the steel production, using the cementation process to form blister steel bars, which were then processed into shear steel by forge welding (Cementation process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Crucible steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ blister steel).

I believe the subtle pattern is due to the very slight difference in the alloy (as a result of the impurities) of each of the blister steel bars. This effect (and the cause) is similar to that seen in traditional Japanese swords.

Very interesting! If this is such metal, should it be rather soft, or is it perfectly possible that this metal is really hard?
I've restored quit a few razors now, and the scratches aren't easy to remove, very hard metal indeed!

Thanks for the link, like it very much!

Originally Posted by DrDalton

I don’t think that it is laminated in the modern sense (the deliberate use of different steel alloys to produce contrasting layers, i.e. pattern welding).

Rather it is an artefact of the steel production, using the cementation process to form blister steel bars, which were then processed into shear steel by forge welding (Cementation process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Crucible steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ blister steel).

I believe the subtle pattern is due to the very slight difference in the alloy (as a result of the impurities) of each of the blister steel bars. This effect (and the cause) is similar to that seen in traditional Japanese swords.

This is very interesting! I love history & old pics...........

Take care or the framebacks, please..

I would love to have one. I have several Swedish straights, two of them Hellberg's but not framebacks. I have a Jon Engstrom brass frameback which is a nice little razor. I have a few C.V. Heljestrand's. I'll have to be for the lookout for one. It's a cool razor!

Originally Posted by Frameback

Take care or the framebacks, please..

Absolutely! Especially this one

The ferric chloride isn't really needed, but if you did use some, the stuff that is there will show up better than it does now. Polish out all those scratches first. The eye has seen the pattern. I think this stuff is pretty cool. I really enjoy the subtlety of the bands.

The material is most likely crucible steel of some kind and the feature you can clearly see is called alloy banding. There are several ways this could occur but it's not from laminating steels together as the modern pattern welders do it.

One possibility is that this is a form of shear steel but I'd give that an outside chance when alloy banding can occur with a lot less work. Strangely enough the alloy bands can be manipulated in the same fashion that PW makers can make pools or eyes or ladders.

Very cool razor.

I think using a little FC would make that blade Really pop.JMO