Thread: Little help please

A straight stroke will concentrate the pressure on the center of the blade, especially with a hollow ground blade, and if too much pressure is used.

An X stroke will distribute the pressure along the whole edge from heel to toe.

Ok let's start from the beginning an I will try to answer everything everyone asked or said. First I am not new to this I've been on this site for a year or so not exactly sure but I have been honing an shaving for about 9-10 yrs now. The question about the toes an heat treating was just something I wondered about yes I have gotten razors with this issue yes I've fixed them just fine.

I know about X strokes an everything else in the beginning of this thread I stated that I've used all the tricks I know of to fix this particular razor. Yes I have honed a similar style razor before with no problems it seems to be something about this particular model that's why I asked if others had a problem with it.

Hones I'm using an entire set of Naniwa ss 1k 3k 5k 10k chosera 1k 2thuris 3cotis 1dmt fine.

No I'm not taking of extra metal at the toe unless it's not hones properly already.

Ok the bottom razor is the first one I recieved it was pretty rough I fixed it but can't get a shaving edge. The one on top is the new one when I recieved it, it looked as though someone has put excessive pressure on the toe I'm not worried about that as I can fix it my problem with these two razors is I cannot put a shaving edge on them that is my only problem. The question about the toe has nothing to do with these razors it was just a question I've always wondered about right now with these razors I'm only interested in a shaving edge I don't even care if it's pretty just can't figure out why I can't get one!

If you have a French Pearl Duck that's the first one I've seen.

I suspect it's left over stock when the business changed hands.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

If you have a French Pearl Duck that's the first one I've seen.

I suspect it's left over stock when the business changed hands.

I reground one that had a little rust to a French tip that looks just like it.

Yeah both of them are French pearl ducks. I will try to take a clearer pic of both so that you can see

Kelbro do you mean that one of the French ducks you regroud had a French tip, because the first one that I bought seemed like it had the tiniest remnants of a French tip.

Nothing unusual, they look like typical hollow ground razors, that have seen hard use and minimal care. Honing issues with thin hollow ground razors, are usually a result of too much pressure, lifting the edge off the stone from flexing the blade.

The first one has a funk spine at the toe and the second fairly excessive wear across the whole spine.

The heel needs reshaping, there is evidence the stabilizer is hitting and keeping the heel off the stone on the second, the first one’s heel also looks close and reshaping would not hurt it also. Reshaping will move the corner of the edge good forward of the stabilizer.

Put 2 layers of tape on both, ink the bevels and make sure you are honing to the edge, heel forward, X strokes will get both the toe and heel honed.

Keep an eye on the ink and tape, adjust your pressure accordingly. Do circles until the bevels come together fully, then joint the edge and reset with light pressure.

Thank you for that Euclid. An yes the second one is very worn like I said it came in pretty rough condition rust on the edge not a lot it was worn into the stabilizer an excessive wear so I used a dmt to fix the spine an bevel it does still need a lot of work.

The first razor really doesn't have that much spine wear it is uneven though. As for tape I never use it but I will give it a try I have been using X strokes with the heel leading an I don't believe that I am running the stabilizer on the hones as I use a marker on razors with wear into the stabilizer I draw a line at the heel to show where the stabilizer begins (because I know they're not going to be even in every razor) lay the razor straight across the hones then angle it heel first an do my X strokes it's slower but it keeps me from continuing someone else's mistake myself. I have used a marker on both an it does seem to wear evenly for the most part they are a little off due to the funky wear already established but that's where I begin to use pressure with a finger in a generalized location an it seems to correct itself.

The worse razor is completely even across the spine an the edge an yet it won't cut any hair but it is sharp as hell this is what is confusing about them both.

Are you honing to the edge?

On the second one, the heel is already sharp and will cut you eventually.

When enlarging the photo, it appears to have a double bevel on the heel half, with visible deep stria, and an uneven chippy edge towards the toe half.

I suspect you are using too much pressure and the base of the bevel is acting as a fulcrum and lifting the edge off the stone.

Two layers of tape, will increase the spine closer to the original thickness and blade angle, and get you honing to the edge.