Now I can find the company, but I can not find this set at all to try to try to set a value on or learn a little bit about. Any input and evaluation would be much appreciated. Thank ya gents.
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Now I can find the company, but I can not find this set at all to try to try to set a value on or learn a little bit about. Any input and evaluation would be much appreciated. Thank ya gents.
not sure if its a set. most have matching scales, looks like someone found a similar razor same brand and stuck in the box. maybe so , maybe not , but for sure we don't do valuations on this site Tc
Oh alright. Sorry did not know that sir. Thank you for the knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrideshd
I agree about the scale difference. A broken set but still a nice find. Congrads on the set even if its not but they are nice for sure.
Yea I figured they just put it oû with a difference of scale material, but you guys really think it's just an add eh? I thought maybe to show difference in their fancier materials for display. That is real ivory no? Cause it is real tortoise.
Nice find. I'd go ahead and rescale the one with mismatched scales. I've seen a lot of those faux tortoise scales go off and cell rot the blade.
not 100% because nt in my hand but its not ivorym its the standard ivorine that was on tons of razors that vintage. my guess is the set came that way, and like Chris said most of the faux tortoise from back then was celliod,, watch for the gassing Tc
Thank you all gents for your input. Gotta say it was depressing, lol I thought I really had something fancy here. But I'd rather have the truth than a lie.lol thank you all.
Clauss are some very good quality American made razors. Keep an eye on the one with tortoise shell scales. Those type scales are notorious for developing cell rot. Watch for signs of spotty rust on the blade, you can do a search for what that looks like. If it does develop the only cure is to remove and replace the scales. Cell rot can spread so it must be isolated from other razors until issue is resolved.
Could you post close up pics of the blade of that razor? That way some more knowledgeable members can detect if cell rot is present. The difference in appearance of the two sides indicates the scales are already starting to break down. I hope this is not the case as you have a couple of really nice, very good quality razors. Good luck.
Sure can, i'll post a few a bit later when I get home. And I really think it's real tortoise so hopefully some one can fill me in with a bit better of a picture.
Or are you guys just trying to do me a solid because you're not supposed to trade in real tortoise anymore? I'm pretty sure it's legal to own. Just not sell and ship? Correct?
No one is giving you a line, those look like celluloid scales. They were meant to look like tortoise and even ivory and they have been around since the 1800s. I've seen several, maybe if I dig I can find a set I had. However I might have given that razor away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wightman
Off to look.
Oh okay, that's only thing that makes me think it's real is it's not such a smooth plastic look. It looks dencer, and the different Hues thoughout it eh. It's not so separate with just two hues in an almost camo pattern. You know, how terrible the new ones look. The old ones were pretty close eh? I'm all new to this, so I am still fairly ignorant to the details. Just trying to learn.
There are even horn scales that are dyed to look like tortoise.
If you heat a pin or paperclip and touch it to the INSIDE of the scales it will help determine what you have. If it smells like burning hair, it's horn if it smells like burning plastic then it's celluloid.
We all have learned these things along the way. This is an excellent place to learn.
Yea I did see that there are some that were horn to look like tortoise. Hopefully when I get the closer picks up it will help.
some of that died horn was pretty good fake. and I have seen some newer material that good too. you can have the shell, but yes its supposed to be wrong to sell or transport across state lines or out of the country, the same with ivory. I have lots of ivory that is why I,m pretty confident yours isn't, as to the tortoise, I only have one set, but its really not that common on a razor of that vintage, mostly it would be celluloid but as said if the blades are in good shape the Clauss is a good brand with good steel, as long as the gassing hasn't done any damage. so post some close ups so we can assist you Tc
You could do two site searches in the search box upper right of home page. Something like "tortoise shell real or fake" and "ivory real or fake". There should be a few threads on the subject of how to tell if these materials are real or fake.
Bob
Thank ya sir... but if it's in the library my log in does not seem to work.
Never mind the Google search works for me. Looking now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
If I were you I would polish them with mothers or something if they dont have gold plating or anything. Then I can confidently say they are worth 2 shiny pennies
No, not in the library but a site search.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wightman
Bob
I hope that this is of some help:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...oiseshell.html
Here's a good one for anybody who may be searching the same info in the future. http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...oiseshell.html
Haha sorry didn't refresh before I posted.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by cudarunner
At least you found it and know how to use the search box now. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Wightman
I'd bet the tortoise scales are dyed horn, though I've never seen it on a Clauss razor before. It isn't the genuine article, whatever it is.
However, that presentation box is a find, and the razors are both going to be fantastic shavers. Clauss are fine, fine razors.
To date, I had only ever seen single razor presentation boxes from Clauss, and almost exclusively in terrible condition. It looks like yours is in very good shape.
That's the issue I'm having I can't find any thing with paired razor boxes from them. Let alone a miss match scale from them. Been frustrating to say the least.
Chatham, Ontario, went to school with someone from Chatham...welcome to the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wightman
The scales as you know are not genuine tortoise or ivory, and it can sometimes be tough to tell the difference.
Nice find, get them shave ready and you're good to go....:D
Yea, a little Podunk town here. But I actually came from Blenheim, and even smaller town just south of Chatham. But thanks for the welcome, and I'm loving it so far guys. Everyone here is great. Extremely helpful and kind individuals. I am happy to have become a part of the scene here. A wealth of endless information and beautiful razors to see and learn about. I love every aspect of this place. What was the gents name from school anyways if you don't mind me asking, maybe I know them.
For the record, here are two razors, one genuine tortoise, the other "faux" tortoise...can you tell which one is real?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wightman
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If I recall correctly, was a long time ago in the 80's...Dave Chamberlain....that ring a bell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wightman
Just from my recent research I would say top is real, bottom is fake. But am still uncertain to be able to say definitively. But I'm goiñ by the pinning without the washer on the first (although the seconds bottom doesn't as well), and the transparency of the second one. As well as the dark in the second seems to be coming from the bottom and not all the way through. Just a coat over top of it. And the foggy edges of the dark on the second, but I kind of see that on the first as well.
Can't say it does, although the name chamberlain does. But that's long off from me. I wasn't even thought of being conceived yet.lol 87' 30 yrs old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
The one with the White-ish Scales are Celluloid
The other is Mottled Horn ie:Faux Tortoise
Yea that's what I'm thinking as well. Seems to be bug bites revealing a darker material underneath.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Here's some more. Did the pin test. Ivory smelt plastic(fake) tortoise smelt of hair.(guessing horn)
And Phrank, was I correct with the razors you asked about above?
You will eventually be able to tell without using a test which is which....normally, if in doubt, testing like that and potentially damaging what might turn out to be genuine Ivory or Tortoise, is not the best way to determine.
You guessed correctly with regard the two razors I posted, the top was a Heljestrand Mk. 32 in genuine tortoise, the bottom was an Elliot razor in faux tortoise....good for you, new to the game and you got it right, trust your eye....great find though on the razors still.
At least I'm learning. That's all I can ask for. And you're right about the damaging. I was sad to do it. lol luckily they are still alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
