There were many many Japanes straight makers over the years. Our talk about these two is like two guys in Japan talking about western straights and the only names they ever heard were Dovo and TI and think that's it. If you check out the japan Yahoo sites with babelfish help you will see many many other razors up for auction all the time. There is one guy from Japan on Eboy who sells old straights but they are in pretty rough shape.