Thread: Interesting crown and sword stamps... are they fake?

Very logical explanation.

Thanks! Then I'll leave it as it is (offered as an ERN).

Sorry I goofed a little bit. Spain's motto was "Plus Ultra" meaning further or onward or something. Thus, Non Plus Ultra= nothing further/excelling/onward/etc. Also now that I think about it, the history of this is supposedly Hercules or someone (probably not Hercules now that I think about it, he was greek, non plus ultra is latin I think) built pillars at the straight of Gibraltar and they are inscribed with something like Non Plus Ultra (not exactly, its like nil plus ultra or nec plus ultra or something). Cus in their days that was the end of the world. I dunno if the two stories are related.

On the flag of Spanish city Melilla is "Non Plus Ultra".
So it can be connected with Spaniards.=)

This is exactly the razor I have!

Originally Posted by 0livia

That two crown sword is unique!

Ichi I have also have a non plus utra
I'm also not sure whether its genuine.

Originally Posted by 0livia

Manah, one of my customers actually doubts.
There must have been a warning on the original packages, like "do not accept copies".
And the four spiked crown looked odd to him.
Thats why he thought it was one and sent me a message
to keep me from getting slaughtered by gossip.
The razor is fine to me. Weight, balance, steel, handle material,
all the same as other ERNs of that time..
Non Plus Ultra doesn't appear on the List of ERN brands though.

When you say "of that time" what time is that roughly?

Originally Posted by manah

Yes, Non Plus Ultra - isn't present in the list.
But it is not necessary to forget that in Solingen there were 7! factories ERN, and can and more.
August Ern — 1880 based
C. Friedrich Ern — 1873
E. Ern and Co. — about 1878
Friedrich Ern and Co — 1888
Gustav Emil Ern — 1903
Walter Ern — about 1922
W.C. Ern and Co. — about 1920
As these all factories marked their production, impossible to know.

But according to the pic of trademarks above, 0livia and I have C. Frederich Ern razors (c. 1896) later replaced by the Eagle and Snake trademark (1897)?

Non plus ultra is perplexing though...

Are you sure 1896 is a date and not a model? For example, Dovo T-shell is stamped something like 1816, which could be a date but isn't.

Originally Posted by khaos

Are you sure 1896 is a date and not a model? For example, Dovo T-shell is stamped something like 1816, which could be a date but isn't.

The razor itself isn't stamped with any date; I'm going by the photo of trademarks posted by manah a few posts up.

Ah I see. So then why all the fuss about fakes? It matches that logo perfectly...