Thread: Interesting crown and sword stamps... are they fake?

Hey, I saw a razor on ebay that is "Two Crown Sword" also stamped ERN in greek letters (epsilon rho nu, looks like a wierd E, P, N)
Also, the second picture is a "Sword" that looks like the Crown and Sword, without the Crown. Also marked ERN, and visible is the Solingen stamp.

While I cannot speak to the authenticity of the razor I can say that we had a thread here that spoke about the ERN razors. It turned out that 6 companies used those letters, but all had different hallmarks. I guess the most famous of the ERNs is the Snake and Eagle hallmark, which I believe is what prompted the conversation.

Your razor maybe a real ERN from another company.

Don't know if this helps.

It is original ERN, there is a stamp without a crown, only a sword.

Singlewedge, do you have a link to that thread? My first blade was an ERN Gong, I'd be interested to see if it's mentioned.

I just picked up a razor with the 1896 logo etched on the blade. Spanish point. Tang has two lines stamped:

Non plus ultra
Made in Germany

Anyone with more info? Manah, do you have a book you're referencing?

I'm debating whether to have it repinned in black horn.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by manah

It is original ERN, there is a stamp without a crown, only a sword.

That two crown sword is unique!

Ichi I have also have a non plus utra
I'm also not sure whether its genuine.

0livia, why do you doubt the authenticity?

Manah, one of my customers actually doubts.
There must have been a warning on the original packages, like "do not accept copies".
And the four spiked crown looked odd to him.
Thats why he thought it was one and sent me a message
to keep me from getting slaughtered by gossip.
The razor is fine to me. Weight, balance, steel, handle material,
all the same as other ERNs of that time..
Non Plus Ultra doesn't appear on the List of ERN brands though.

Yes, Non Plus Ultra - isn't present in the list.
But it is not necessary to forget that in Solingen there were 7! factories ERN, and can and more.
August Ern — 1880 based
C. Friedrich Ern — 1873
E. Ern and Co. — about 1878
Friedrich Ern and Co — 1888
Gustav Emil Ern — 1903
Walter Ern — about 1922
W.C. Ern and Co. — about 1920
As these all factories marked their production, impossible to know.

Non Plus Ultra was the motto of spain for a while, as a matter of interest. If memory serves me correctly it is latin to the effect of "nothing more" or "nothing further" or something. So I'm guessing this is one of those advertising stamps that implies it is the best. Like: Barber's Best, IXL, etc. I'm guessing it's most accurately translated as "Nothing Better".