Thread: Dovo versus Thiers Issard and Boker

I would like to trump the gurus here, but can't. One reason is that one's choice of razors is, in large part, taste - that unique aspect with which there can be no argument, another is scientific evaluation or testing of physical properties which requires sophisticated equipment, training, time, and maybe destructive testing - most of which is not available in or to our group.

In consideration of the above, both Dovo and TI razors are just fine shaving tools - so shave away in smooth confidence during your search for the grail holding that vaunted ne plus ultra, the razor to which all others aspire, the Chronik.

good shaving

Originally Posted by Bruce

so shave away in smooth confidence during your search for the grail holding that vaunted ne plus ultra, the razor to which all others aspire, the Chronik.

good shaving

Oh no.... Not this again

This questions doesn't make sense to me. what are you looking for?
Dovo versus Thiers Issard and Boker ?
Are you trying to compare their prices? you cannot.
Are you trying to compare steel quality? again not easy to do.
No one has enough dovo or TI or boker to make experiment or big enough Lab to check them out and give to you fair answer.
Are you trying to compare sharpness? same answer You cannot.
Dovo has couple different price blades ,TI same and Boker too.
Some people will love Dovo others boker, rest TI. vs verse.

Most of those have been my questions. I'm trying to make my choice based on performance and quality within a certain price range ($80-$170).

It is daunting for me to make a choice between razors that range from $10 thru $800+. I figure at the low range there's sacrifice (not sure what), and at the higher range luxury and art. In the middle $80-$130 range, it makes one wonder why to choose $120 (Boker) vs. the $80 (Dovo) vs. $130 (TI/AOS)?

Basically for a first purchase, I wouldn't want to start off with low quality and become dissatisfied and believe that straight razor shaving is no good.

There's also all the marketing, hype, and Internet lore. I read somewhere (I think it was the wiki) that TI has better edge and holds the edge longer...hence a better shaver.

TI's website: "New heat treatments. All blades now have the benefit of the new heat treatments recently implemented by Thiers-Issard, giving even harder, more durable steel and finer edges."

Dovo is cheaper and seems to be extremely popular. Sometimes popularity gives the impression it is the better quality razor.

Boker, I don't hear much about them.

So the questions are to decipher the marketing, popularity, and lore.

In this range:
Is it all just style?
Difference in metals?
Difference in process, manufacturing, fabrication?
Difference in quality control?
Difference is mostly economy of scale
Difference in what name is used?
Difference in shaving?
Difference in honing?
What do you get by going above $150?

Perhaps it would be simpler to categorize the razors. And in this category price range, they all shave and hone equally well?

Thanks,
Jake

is there any way we could umm i hate to put it like this "dumb it down some" to a level that is much less complex
just for the sake of a million more questions and all the varriables
lets say you compare all 3 dovo boker and TI all within a 100-150$ range
which one takes an edge easier?
which one keeps the edge the longest?
given all are honed by the same person and the same person uses them in a rotation and when one needs to be honed take it out untill you find which one was actually better.. but to keep it fair all blades would have to be the same width and grind
to me that seems like a logical non biased way to get real results instead of someones prefrence granted you may have to do this over time with a dozen people but the razors will still must be honed by the original person and the same strop will go with the razors any thouhts on this? anything missing? or does anyone think that would actually work?

Originally Posted by snakyjake

Most of those have been my questions. I'm trying to make my choice based on performance and quality within a certain price range ($80-$170).

It is daunting for me to make a choice between razors that range from $10 thru $800+. I figure at the low range there's sacrifice (not sure what), and at the higher range luxury and art. In the middle $80-$130 range, it makes one wonder why to choose $120 (Boker) vs. the $80 (Dovo) vs. $130 (TI/AOS)?

Basically for a first purchase, I wouldn't want to start off with low quality and become dissatisfied and believe that straight razor shaving is no good.

There's also all the marketing, hype, and Internet lore. I read somewhere (I think it was the wiki) that TI has better edge and holds the edge longer...hence a better shaver.

TI's website: "New heat treatments. All blades now have the benefit of the new heat treatments recently implemented by Thiers-Issard, giving even harder, more durable steel and finer edges."

Dovo is cheaper and seems to be extremely popular. Sometimes popularity gives the impression it is the better quality razor.

Boker, I don't hear much about them.

So the questions are to decipher the marketing, popularity, and lore.

In this range:
Is it all just style?
Difference in metals?
Difference in process, manufacturing, fabrication?
Difference in quality control?
Difference is mostly economy of scale
Difference in what name is used?
Difference in shaving?
Difference in honing?
What do you get by going above $150?

Perhaps it would be simpler to categorize the razors. And in this category price range, they all shave and hone equally well?

Thanks,
Jake

JAKE MOST of them your questions?
why in the world you don't come and ask that questions yourself?
Second if you are really looking for help you could post this before?
"choose $120 (Boker) vs. the $80 (Dovo) vs. $130 (TI/AOS)?" and ask for help.
Now what you are going to get above 150 depends which maker are you trying to buy.
We always advise new people to buy cheap razors at first. cheap doesn't mean their quality is low.
they just vintage blades.
There is a lot of chance you will ruine your first blade. Learn how to shave and read srp on your next purchase time you will have more idea and knowledge what to buy.
hope this helps. gl

Originally Posted by BAMARACING8

is there any way we could umm i hate to put it like this "dumb it down some" to a level that is much less complex
just for the sake of a million more questions and all the varriables
lets say you compare all 3 dovo boker and TI all within a 100-150$ range
which one takes an edge easier?
which one keeps the edge the longest?
given all are honed by the same person and the same person uses them in a rotation and when one needs to be honed take it out untill you find which one was actually better.. but to keep it fair all blades would have to be the same width and grind
to me that seems like a logical non biased way to get real results instead of someones prefrence granted you may have to do this over time with a dozen people but the razors will still must be honed by the original person and the same strop will go with the razors any thouhts on this? anything missing? or does anyone think that would actually work?

No it will not work and that is exactly what the senior most people here are trying to make very, very, clear...

Blindfolded I doubt if anyone could tell the difference in the shave...
On the hones it doesn't matter, with whatever razor you are honing you need to either cater to the razor, or cater to the hone you have..

So what your asking is for people's personal opinion, and what everyone is saying is that between these 3 brands it doesn't matter...

Pick one and be happy... don't like it, sell it in 6 months and pick another...

"Blindfolded I doubt if anyone could tell the difference in the shave..."--thats kind of what i was thinking but wasnt certain. you just confirmed that



"Pick one and be happy... don't like it, sell it in 6 months and pick another... "----well said thank you

Huh. I'm certainly not going to venture any strong opinions here, but I do sympathise with Snakyjake. He wants to make an informed purchasing decision which is fair enough, but unfortunately it's like seeking whisky recommendations - too subjective to get a meaningful reply. I think he's just going to have to pick a razor which appeals to him which won't break the bank, and take it from there. I doubt there are many people who find that straight shaving suits them who will stick at one razor anyway.

My taste is for vintage razors, but I have a recent middle of the range Dovo and it shaves very nicely. I have no reason whatsoever to suppose that a TI or Boker wouldn't be just as good: had I been offered either of those makes at the same price I'd have bitten the vendor's hand off just as quickly.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

JAKE MOST of them your questions?
why in the world you don't come and ask that questions yourself?

Ok...I'll post these questions in a new thread. Didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

No it will not work and that is exactly what the senior most people here are trying to make very, very, clear...

Blindfolded I doubt if anyone could tell the difference in the shave...
On the hones it doesn't matter, with whatever razor you are honing you need to either cater to the razor, or cater to the hone you have..

So what your asking is for people's personal opinion, and what everyone is saying is that between these 3 brands it doesn't matter...

Pick one and be happy... don't like it, sell it in 6 months and pick another...

Glen,

This makes altogether too much sense and does very little to enhance nascent RAD.