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Thread: A bit help
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09-20-2012, 08:30 AM #11
Queen Victoris Kindong, I See, yes is provably, i´m not in the competence to make any complain, another razors with the V R initials I hade seen, And In my collection there are 3 or 4 but, the blade, is not the Diderot and DÁlambert dictionarie blades, but is,t too the others I see into the victorian Razors, well, the lineal form of the primitive blades, without diference into the tail and the blade makes me a little doubd I need to solve The only photo I at the moment can belive about a centanly date is the razor used for Louis XVI in the haill befor was used in he teh guillotine, everibody knows the date, the last years of the XVIII century and the begining of our times, I could´t get a better photo, but is an english razor And I can not find the big diferences into a 1830 razor and a 1800 razor, well the date os 1830 if quite good for me, but I have now the sensation there are a little kaos in the datation of this first of XIX centuri razors, If we could see the G befor the V in the rest of the crown will change anything? well is only a question and I´m agree with the dates of 1820-30 but, if the othes blades I have is well dated for this forum information, I,m not agree with the dates after 1840, because the chace of the scale is quite important to ignore it. This is only a lot of reflexions of an ingnorant amateur, and any complain will be well come. Thanks for your new information but my hungry need the "why" you undertund?
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09-20-2012, 08:32 AM #12
sorry, is not an english razor, I did´nt realise in the box text, but my doubds are the same, tanks
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09-20-2012, 11:38 PM #13
It is almost impossible to determine when exactly a razor was made . My date range is nothing but a "somewhat" educated guess , based on what little I know , determined by the way the razor looks . Since there is not much left of the tang mark , I really have nothing else to go by . Generally , if the razor has a short "stub" tail , I think it would date to before circa 1830 . This is not to say that all razors made before 1830 have short tails , or all razors made after 1830 have long tails , I'm sure there are exceptions . If the blade was made before circa 1800 , it would most likely not have a step where the blade and the tang meet , but would instead merge into the tang in a straight line . If the tang is marked "GR" , it was made during the reign of King George III 1760-1820 , or King George IV 1820-1830 . If the mark is "WR" , it was made during the reign of King William IV 1830-1837 . If the mark is "VR" it was made during the reign of Queen Victoria 1837-1901 . I hope this is some help to you . Hopefully , someone who knows more than I do , will read this , and give you some better information .
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09-21-2012, 09:21 AM #14
Yes, is like arqueology, I´m antique art doctor, date rests is too dificult, and find a director fossil, like we call the coinks, is not ever a definitive sign, because the image marked in this conink could be made with older steels by a economical desaster or it could be in use during a lot of time after it was mede,the only you can say with absolutly security is the grave or hale you are studeing could´n be older tan the coink, because, obbiusly, it did´nt exist before...you only can count into the past bat not too much into the future, I recently adquire a box of razors that at the moment was in restauration, but I need to put photos in next days, is a original advertisement box in lether, with letter stamped in gold, made for a veri comun mark, You sure know it, the ones say "magestries cuttlers", now I can´t remember the name, in the box there are a text with intructions by how you must use the razor ir contains, but not a date, nevertheless I´m sure it cill be another step to help to date this kind of razors, not others. well is an quite interestin subjet to talk, but my limitated english dificult the fredown I need to explain all I want, I put in the table anothe thing to talk, about the scales, mainly the carey and horn scales with a barroque engraved, a shell and an classic composition of carved lines, this motive seems to born into the late 1700 and finished at the late 1800, but is onli a kind of them, into the only chance is the form of the scales the ones I´m interesting, wer could think that was only a scales maker by its big similitudes, the same material, the same motive and distribution into the sacales...but we can find this engraved in a lot of difrent marks os the XIX century, here the P-Ford only use this scales, and I thougt were the P-Ford particularity, but now i´m finding many others with this scales and mainly in Spain nevertheless the blade was english, german or french, well is aother thing to study, isn´t it? thaks for all your interesting information,I´m only studeing, and I´m agree the experience mark the better C14 datation. Thanks again doubt all of us, the history will make with doubds.