Thread: #78 F. Herder ABR Sohn, 5/8. Picked it up, curious to history, probable age etc.

Just because it is in print doesn't mean that it is so.

Possibly. But if several different sources have the similar info, it's possible to get the information near the true.

At the beginning of the thread, the razor is #78.
Here is the scan from Friedrich Herder catalog from about 1920s with #118, #13, #55.

Originally Posted by manah

Possibly. But if several different sources have the similar info, it's possible to get the information near the true.

At the beginning of the thread, the razor is #78.
Here is the scan from Friedrich Herder catalog from about 1920s with #118, #13, #55.

I believed that Neil is talking about the name change in 1915 to F.Herder & Sohn. From the catalog page you posted from 1920 and the trademark registration from 1927 that i posted on post # 6 on this thread, seems evident that the name didnt change since both have the Friedr, Herder Abr. Sohn as the company name.

Phew - that was hard work! Thanks Martin, that's exactly what I was talking about.

Regards,
Neil

about the name change in 1915 to F.Herder & Sohn

Possibly, there is a problem with translation from German - Joh. Abr. Herder & Sne. (But this company name was in the first part of 19th century).

Originally Posted by manah

Possibly, there is a problem with translation from German - Joh. Abr. Herder & Sne.

There is no 'possibly' about it - that is what I was alluding to - I don't think I could make it clearer.

As for F Herder & Sohn being mistaken for Joh. Abr. Herder & Sne, that's stretching credulity to it's limits. I think only a blind person typing in braille who had never used a braille typewriter could make that sort of mistake!

Quite apart from that, there is the small matter of time difference too - Joh. Abr. Herder & Sne was before Friedrich changed the name in 1841. What we are talking about is a name change in 1915 -as you have now realised, since you added to your post after I quoted it.

Regards,
Neil

only a blind person typing in braille who had never used a braille typewriter could make that sort of mistake!

I don't know what type of the mistake it was.
It's difficult to ask somebody, the book was published in 1973.
Possibly, translation.

Well, we are getting somewhere. At least we have dismissed the ridiculous proposition that it was anything to do with Joh. Abr. Herder. I really cannot see it as being a mistranslation - J does not look like an F and the & character cannot just magically appear out of the ether. I guess that a person translated what needed translating and that person would necessarily be fluent in both languages. On top of which there would have been proof reading and the authors final edit.

No, I dont buy mistranslation. Even babelfish could not make such an abysmal mistake as that!

Either the author knew something we do not (eg why a company with no one called Herder in it should change the name in this way), or he fell into the vernacular without bothering to check.

Whatever the reason, all the tang marks and all the company literature we have seen to date do not bear out a change of name in 1915.

I would be happy to be corrected, but like Dragnets Joe Friday would have said - "just give me the facts..."

Regards
Neil

It's probably my fault! The 70's were a bit blurry. I cannot recall how I substantiated what I wrote either!!

I have a Daniel Herder straight. How does this figure in? Thought there were no more Herders.

We were discussing a certain company, that there were no more Herders in that particular company does not mean that there were no more Herders left in the world!

Regards,
Neil