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    Dear Friend:

    Dear Friend:
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    Yeah I gotta disagree on that Again hands on...

    Yeah I gotta disagree on that

    Again hands on experience with multiple customers since the frowns really began about 5 years ago I have re-honed quite a few of the ones I fixed and once they are...
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    Thank you for posting some first hand experience...

    Thank you for posting some first hand experience it is appreciated
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    I think you are right But come on after 100...

    I think you are right

    But come on after 100 razors across the hones you should be getting a feel for it

    Raise your hand if you have honed 100 new razors without serious issues and still can't...
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    So again a BS theory that Jarrod claimed on...

    So again a BS theory that Jarrod claimed on another forum yet no real hands on proof

    Stop already
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    How do you know, where is your proof ??? ...

    How do you know, where is your proof ???

    Please show us you are again making statements without any proof, and the claim of "Jarrod Says" doesn't hold water here he could not back it up either

    ...
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    Again Speak for yourself... You don't know And...

    Again Speak for yourself... You don't know
    And if the people at Dovo haven't figured it out by testing a few edges then they deserved the B/K
    Spending money on a machine to test Shave Ready when it...
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    Because there is an old saying "Doesn't...

    Because there is an old saying

    "Doesn't matter if they are talking good or bad about me just as long as they are Talking"

    Jarrod has learned that causing a ripple and then flying a victim flag...
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    You are speaking for another not yourself, I...

    You are speaking for another not yourself, I already had these discussions with him, he offered no proof either

    So back to square one
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    Speak for yourself

    Speak for yourself
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    That is a problem, See that means you are making...

    That is a problem, See that means you are making statements without first hand knowledge
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    And yet here we are back to the fact Dovo masters...

    And yet here we are back to the fact Dovo masters that hone for a living can't do it.. See how that worked

    That means one of two things neither are good

    The guys that hone for a Living at...
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    I guess I misunderstood your idea of...

    I guess I misunderstood your idea of "Observations"
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    Only if you can't hone correctly

    Only if you can't hone correctly
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    Really ??? Where is this info, so far we see one...

    Really ??? Where is this info, so far we see one source making that claim, you would think there would be old manuals explaining how the old "Masters" convexed their hones to achieve this edge
    You...
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    If it were that simple then why are the "Masters"...

    If it were that simple then why are the "Masters" in Solingen not able to do it ??? :shrug:
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    Just to clarify There are two issues being...

    Just to clarify

    There are two issues being discussed here,,

    #1 Dovo and most other Production razors are simply NOT shave ready, nor have they really ever been, in the last few years Dovo has...
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    Basically what I said almost a year ago now, "I...

    Basically what I said almost a year ago now, "I doubt it even happens, considering the there are inconsistencies in the surface of the hone bigger than what he was claiming the improvement to be"
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    I am not sure how to answer this as I get the...

    I am not sure how to answer this as I get the feeling your kidding right ???
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    Exactly reversed :) and lets not forget the...

    Exactly reversed :)

    and lets not forget the commercial sales aspect that you have to buy the Concave Plate to make the Convex hone to create the Concave edge that has never been shown to even...
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    Damn Marty I guess we were both typing at the...

    Damn Marty I guess we were both typing at the same time
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    Dear Friend: This is making it worse for you and...

    Dear Friend: This is making it worse for you and what you are promoting, in fact you sound just like Jarrod with his junk science. same inaccurate math pulled from nether regions, in fact your...
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    Not following your logic on that at all SR's...

    Not following your logic on that at all

    SR's have been hollow ground since the 1700's their bevels have always been honed and stroped toward a convex bevel and edge

    Maybe I am just missing your...
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    Just search the term here using the advanced...

    Just search the term here using the advanced search feature you will find plenty..

    I am not sure what machine grinding has to do with bevel formation of SR's either..

    Also you might find some...
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    You misunderstand and I already have explained it...

    You misunderstand and I already have explained it dozens of times, your statement above in red is just foolish

    Let me put it more simply,,, aint none of the Production edge honers should be...
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