Err... I think you may have missed something in Holli's post.

He says that one quick WTG pass with water using a DE is not really shaving, not that using a DE full stop is not really shaving. And if thats all he uses a DE for, fair enough.

I agree with him that a quick WTG pass with water is not a proper shave, its just grooming. No one has said that using a DE isnt a proper shave.

How about you read the post before you start calling people elitist?