Really if your talking hot lather I'm not the best one to be talking to about that. My view has often been trying to get hot lather is like a dog chasing his tale. I actually have a georgetown scuttle and its a nice decoration near my gear. I'm afraid I'm just a face latherer from the getgo and hot lather just isn't such a priority to me. If I want hot lather I just give my brush a shot of hot water and I have hot lather.