Thread: Spam Killers Alert

We had one earlier today, advertising same stuff. Seriously, just ban their IP address, then they cant create a new account every other day.

Originally Posted by OLD_SCHOOL

We had one earlier today, advertising same stuff. Seriously, just ban their IP address, then they cant create a new account every other day.

That only works if they have a static IP address...
It might stop them for a day or two, but it also runs the risk of cutting off any other members who are with the same carier.

They need to make SRP have a persistent cookie, maybe a java one that can be activated by a moderator for these spammers.
That way once a spammer is identified, the cookie can basically burn their identity into their computer, don't allow them to sign out, and make it automatically redirect them elsewhere when they try to open the site.

This isn't illegal, or immoral, it isn't even difficult. They come in as one id, spam, get banned, and the next time they try to access the site instead of seeing SRP come up on their screen, they are automatically redirected to Barney's web site...

and because the SRP cookie is made to be persistent, and to not allow them to log out they would have to erase the cookie before they can access the site again under a different ID. This is easy with regular cookies, but still takes time, with Java cookies, it's darn near impossible.

The plain and simple truth is these spammers don't have time to mess around with sites that fight back. They come in post until banned and move on to their next ID. Many of these spammers are probably the same individual with several member names.
Why should the Moderators have to bann the same guy 10 times a week.

Originally Posted by Mike_ratliff

That only works if they have a static IP address...

I thought only dial-up uses a non static IP address no? Or you think they might have one of them IP hiding devices?

I have a static IP by choice at my house, but cable internet is known for using dynamic IPs. Regardless, there is a way around that so that I could have a different IP each time I connect to any website - and have that IP change every 30 minutes.

Originally Posted by OLD_SCHOOL

We had one earlier today, advertising same stuff. Seriously, just ban their IP address, then they cant create a new account every other day.

The biggest problem with banning IPs is the fact there are finite numbers of IPs around. There is a gorwing problem in that the internet has no more IPs and more are being increasingly shared. There was an article I read recently when a Wiki moderator blocked an entire country from editing Wikipedia because that country had only one IP to serve all internet users there.

Originally Posted by Mike_ratliff

That only works if they have a static IP address...
It might stop them for a day or two, but it also runs the risk of cutting off any other members who are with the same carier.

They need to make SRP have a persistent cookie, maybe a java one that can be activated by a moderator for these spammers.
That way once a spammer is identified, the cookie can basically burn their identity into their computer, don't allow them to sign out, and make it automatically redirect them elsewhere when they try to open the site.

This isn't illegal, or immoral, it isn't even difficult. They come in as one id, spam, get banned, and the next time they try to access the site instead of seeing SRP come up on their screen, they are automatically redirected to Barney's web site...

and because the SRP cookie is made to be persistent, and to not allow them to log out they would have to erase the cookie before they can access the site again under a different ID. This is easy with regular cookies, but still takes time, with Java cookies, it's darn near impossible.

The plain and simple truth is these spammers don't have time to mess around with sites that fight back. They come in post until banned and move on to their next ID. Many of these spammers are probably the same individual with several member names.
Why should the Moderators have to bann the same guy 10 times a week.

Quality spyware/malware programmes take care of stuff like that, though.

Originally Posted by OLD_SCHOOL

I thought only dial-up uses a non static IP address no? Or you think they might have one of them IP hiding devices?

I have wireless, and if I reset my router I can get one of about three different IPs- I'm guessing they are shared among all the computers that use my ISP in the area.

Originally Posted by peas_and_corn

The biggest problem with banning IPs is the fact there are finite numbers of IPs around. There is a gorwing problem in that the internet has no more IPs and more are being increasingly shared. There was an article I read recently when a Wiki moderator blocked an entire country from editing Wikipedia because that country had only one IP to serve all internet users there.




Quality spyware/malware programmes take care of stuff like that, though.




I have wireless, and if I reset my router I can get one of about three different IPs- I'm guessing they are shared among all the computers that use my ISP in the area.

Java cookies won't be cleared by a spyware or mal ware program, because too many of them are required to run web sites properly, and the companies that deal with them only search out and destroy ones that are prevalent in the thousands, and meet a specific parameter.
a SRP Java cookie would not be listed on the list of removable items because it wouldn't be recognised as malicious. Frankly the cookie need only identify the user, the redirect could be a command from a list on the SRP site. They already use cookies to recognise us, and let us know when we have PM's.

The difference would not be the practice of using cookies, but simply creating a directory of banned users, and using a cookie hidden on their machine to uphold it. You take away their option of signing out because they can't get to the site to sign out. It would be an unnoticable change to all of the rest of us, because we wouldn't be on the list of individuals who get redirected.

And by using a java cookie, the clear history and clear cookies command would not remove the java cookie. Those are much harder to remove.

Frankly we could all be switched over to java cookies, and we would never know the difference, they function in the same manner. but if I decide to sign in as JoeSpammer, and cause trouble. the JoeSpammer java cookie would be on my computer. next time I tried to go to SRP, the SRP web site would see JoeSpammer, and would send me on my merry way to some other site. Essentially I would type SRP.com, and end up at Barney.com... SRP wouldn't even appear to me, it would be as if it didn't exist. You could even make it so that an error message popped up and said that site didn't exist... "Sorry you have reached the end of the internet, please go back and try again."

Or better yet... SEND THEM HERE

I have spyware programmes that do flush out all cookies- though I have to do a scan to find them. It's evident when I return to forums such as this and I have to click 'remember me' again.

That site is evil... and interactive. I was digging clicking on all the characters. The spamburger's noises are a bit disturbing tho...

Originally Posted by Mike_ratliff

That only works if they have a static IP address...
It might stop them for a day or two, but it also runs the risk of cutting off any other members who are with the same carier.

They need to make SRP have a persistent cookie, maybe a java one that can be activated by a moderator for these spammers.
That way once a spammer is identified, the cookie can basically burn their identity into their computer, don't allow them to sign out, and make it automatically redirect them elsewhere when they try to open the site.

This isn't illegal, or immoral, it isn't even difficult. They come in as one id, spam, get banned, and the next time they try to access the site instead of seeing SRP come up on their screen, they are automatically redirected to Barney's web site...

and because the SRP cookie is made to be persistent, and to not allow them to log out they would have to erase the cookie before they can access the site again under a different ID. This is easy with regular cookies, but still takes time, with Java cookies, it's darn near impossible.

The plain and simple truth is these spammers don't have time to mess around with sites that fight back. They come in post until banned and move on to their next ID. Many of these spammers are probably the same individual with several member names.
Why should the Moderators have to bann the same guy 10 times a week.

So how would this work exactly? I don`t understand. How would someone differenciate between a spammer and a normal member when doing this cookie thing? Sounds much like you`d need to do it via an IP address, and if IP`s are shared how will it not affect several people?

I`m not exactly a computer wizz, so I just want to understand how this cookie thing would be any different/safer than banning an IP address. I`m willing to learn.

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