Hehe actually Razors are both...

This makes valuations even more difficult, as there are two separate groups of "Razormen" (that would make a good title for a reality show)
There is a group that only considers the scales for the value.. Then there is our group that the value is more tied to the steel...
The biggest reasons we stopped the valuation BS is 1. it is useless as the values are subjective.. and 2. it caused to much tension between the members...