No, I won't dispute that you can get a usable shaving lather from Williams. I don't leave soap on my brush nor do I cover Williams with water prior to loading my damp brush. It is just that it take a lot more effort to get a lather that for the most part is not as good as what you can more easily get from an Arko or Palmolive shave stick at only a few dollars more in cost. Spending those extra few dollars is more than worth it for ease of lather-ability and much better lather. I mean even an Ivory bath soap bar will work but do you want to use it on a regular basis?

Bob