Thread: FDA to crack down on home- based soap makers.

Originally Posted by BobH

Like anything else there is regulating and then there is regulating. Laws governing what goes into cosmetics and the like should be heavily biased toward consumer health and safety. It can take a long time of continuous use for the harm to show up. So just because you have had no immediate ill effects from short term continuous use does not in all cases indicate there are no ill effects associated with a product.

The wide use of SDS/MSDS/PSD in industry is there not necessarily to protect those who work with these materials but also to insulate employers from class action law suits. They have done their due diligence, trained people in the safe use/handling of these materials and made the info readily available. If you ignore the info and mishandle/misuse the material you may be SOL for compensation if harmed.

It is important to know exactly what is in a cosmetic you are using and how the individual ingredients may be harmful or not. You can't start to make an educated guess about a product without strict labelling practices being enforced as well as good testing before it is on the market.

Bob

with all do respect, hogwash. The fair Labeling Act of 1967 was bought and paid for with lobbyists for corporate interests, as all laws are- it's not a peace treaty it's negotiating a terms of engagement for war against consumers.
Pthalates and other plasticizers are an environmental toxin that they put into crap because it makes scents cheaply and last longer than more natural methods. It's in most everything you buy with a scent- but they don't have to say because they negotiated surreptitious terms in labeling regulations.



How to know if there are phthalates in the cosmetics you use

Under the authority of the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act (FPLA), FDA requires an ingredient declaration on cosmetic products sold at the retail level to consumers. Consumers can tell whether some products contain phthalates by reading the ingredient declaration on the labels of such products.
However, the regulations do not require the listing of the individual fragrance ingredients; therefore, the consumer will not be able to determine from the ingredient declaration if phthalates are present in a fragrance. Also, because the FPLA does not apply to products used exclusively by professionals--for example, in salons--the requirement for an ingredient declaration does not apply to these products. Based on available safety information, DEP does not pose known risks for human health as it is currently used in cosmetics and fragrances. Consumers who nevertheless do not want to purchase cosmetics containing DEP may wish to choose products that do not include "Fragrance" in the ingredient listing.

Source: FDA website
Phthalates

Go ahead and find a list of large corporations, whose lobbyist are pushing these bills whose products are pthalate free

The FDA is not a vestige of protection for humanity it is a corporate shill that would sell your organs on the black market if times got rough and the pharmaceutical companies stopped feeding it.

Just like the FDA will let country crock margarine have .5 grams of plastic in the fake butter you eat without telling you.

Q. What should be listed as the "% DV" for trans fat if it is .5 grams or below?

A. FDA recommends that you leave this blank. No percent is shown because there is no Daily Value for trans fatty acids.

In some states I can not buy butter from my neighbor who has cows or raw milk (illegal) yet they can put plastic in my food!?!

Originally Posted by jnats

with all do respect, hogwash. The fair Labeling Act of 1967 was bought and paid for with lobbyists for corporate interests, as all laws are- it's not a peace treaty it's negotiating a terms of engagement for war against consumers.
Pthalates and other plasticizers are an environmental toxin that they put into crap because it makes scents cheaply and last longer than more natural methods. It's in most everything you buy with a scent- but they don't have to say because they negotiated surreptitious terms in labeling regulations.



How to know if there are phthalates in the cosmetics you use

Under the authority of the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act (FPLA), FDA requires an ingredient declaration on cosmetic products sold at the retail level to consumers. Consumers can tell whether some products contain phthalates by reading the ingredient declaration on the labels of such products.
However, the regulations do not require the listing of the individual fragrance ingredients; therefore, the consumer will not be able to determine from the ingredient declaration if phthalates are present in a fragrance. Also, because the FPLA does not apply to products used exclusively by professionals--for example, in salons--the requirement for an ingredient declaration does not apply to these products. Based on available safety information, DEP does not pose known risks for human health as it is currently used in cosmetics and fragrances. Consumers who nevertheless do not want to purchase cosmetics containing DEP may wish to choose products that do not include "Fragrance" in the ingredient listing.

Source: FDA website
Phthalates

Go ahead and find a list of large corporations, whose lobbyist are pushing these bills whose products are pthalate free

The FDA is not a vestige of protection for humanity it is a corporate shill that would sell your organs on the black market if times got rough and the pharmaceutical companies stopped feeding it.

Like I said there are regulation and then there are regulations. There is what they should do and then there is what they do now. It can be 2 completely different things.

I never believed that the WHMIS system introduced here in the 1980s iirc was to protect workers but more to mitigate companies exposure to liability in the case of industrial related disease. The lawsuits over asbestos come to mind.

Bob

This is pretty old

Saw this first in the Homesteading groups back in April,, I thought I posted it here too but maybe only on the FB page

As of May it was still stuck in committee have not seen any update since then

Originally Posted by BobH

Like I said there are regulation and then there are regulations. There is what they should do and then there is what they do now. It can be 2 completely different things.

I never believed that the WHMIS system introduced here in the 1980s iirc was to protect workers but more to mitigate companies exposure to liability in the case of industrial related disease. The lawsuits over asbestos come to mind.

Bob

Go easy on them Bob, they did asbestos they could. Are you a retired Chemical Engineer?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

This is pretty old

Saw this first in the Homesteading groups back in April,, I thought I posted it here too but maybe only on the FB page

As of May it was still stuck in committee have not seen any update since then

haha, don't judge Glen. Some of us don;t have time to watch the news- there's a lot of episodes for that show and it's really involved and time consuming. This is news to me.

[QUOTE=jnats;1582269]Go easy on them Bob, they did asbestos they could. Are you a retired Chemical Engineer?QUOTE]

Can you clarify "they did asbestos they could"? No, not a retired Chemical Engineer but I know a few. Why is it catchy?

Bob

Originally Posted by jnats

haha, don't judge Glen. Some of us don;t have time to watch the news- there's a lot of episodes for that show and it's really involved and time consuming. This is news to me.

What Show ????

Now ya done it!! Anytime the Damn Government or any part of it "Cracks down" I say, why don't they crack down on themselves and start following the United States Constitution??

It is No secret that the FDA is a bunch of Criminals and like ALL the other letter agency's should be Disbanded.

Something like this may be more appropriate and much less dangerous.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

What Show ????

...the news.

and Bob. It's just a force of habit when anyone complains about asbestos to say "They did asbestos they could". And no I asked if you were a chemical engineer mainly because you knew msds was changed to sds. As well as your opinions about ingredients and referencing msds- though I realize now, you're in Canada so MSDS wasn't a switch for you-- it's us that followed suit a couple years ago.


great. I explained 2 jokes, this will make them funnier. On a roll.