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12-02-2015, 02:31 PM #51
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Thanked: 2591What constitutes the slurry of a J-Nat? The answer is slurry particles, or plates. If you want to call them something else that is fine, the name is irrelevant. What matters is how are they composed and the pictures show they have layered structure, like puff pastry. That would indicate that break down happens through shearing predominantly but the way to prove or disprove is to measure the thickness of the plates and that has not been done to my knowledge. I have worked with an SEM quite a bit and am sure that thickness measurement can't be done with that instrument.
In Japan it is accepted fact that the slurry breaks down, since those guys have used those types of stones for thousands of years, I think they probably know what happens to the slurry.Last edited by mainaman; 12-02-2015 at 02:50 PM.
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12-02-2015, 02:33 PM #52
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12-02-2015, 02:38 PM #53
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Thanked: 9Well the abrasive particles are round hard sillicates the binding agents are what i believe to be smectic clays which are fine plates... those fine plates do break down and change as per that post... it is the hard sillicates that don't. The clays - which due to their polar nature and very fine texture may well be somewhere between suspended and dissolved in the water... are possibly not the particles that abrade, but along with water will become the carrier medium for the sillicates... which seems to agree with what you are saying. The post does measure particles not exhaustively to come to these conclusions...
I may be missing your point though... please enlighten me if i do?
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12-02-2015, 02:59 PM #54
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12-02-2015, 04:49 PM #55
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Ya know I would be much more inclined to add veracity to that entire study if the actual honing had been done by somebody that knew a thing or two about SR honing..
The pics are great.... the hand behind the razor was a mere beginner,,, sorry but that is the hard truth
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12-02-2015, 04:57 PM #56
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Thanked: 13245There was a good experiment done here on SRP a few years back using a Coti and a Coti rubber
The guy that proposed the test theorized that by continuing the break down of the slurry way beyond the normal raising of the slurry by crushing and recrushing the slurry into a creamy state actually created an even smoother edge
I tried it out and I think he might have had a good idea
As to the coti slurry dulling an edge I don't see that,,, but the slurry "LIMITING" the sharpness ??? Yes I see that easily whether that is because of the slurry acting as a cushion that floats the very edge or the slurry bangs into the every edge is in question
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12-02-2015, 04:59 PM #57
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Thanked: 3215My question on this study, (https://scienceofsharp.wordpress.com...ry-break-down/) is, what was washed away during the DI wash, the parts that did break down along with razor swarf?
In conclusion, there is no evidence that the silica (abrasive) particles “break down” or become finer with use. The soft clay binding material of the stone, composed of phyllosilicate material, does break down into individual flakes.
How would they know that only the soft clay binder broke down unless they tested the swarf? And why not test the same slurry, pre worked and after worked?
Yes, I believe the study still leaves the question unanswered.
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12-02-2015, 05:08 PM #58
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12-02-2015, 05:30 PM #59
+1...That would be my sentiment as well. I routinely hone Sheffield's (as in Virtually Every Sheffield) by going to a finishing Coti with slurry after an 8K shave ready finished blade. I have never noticed any 'dulling effect'. Quite the opposite in fact. The edge is always what I call Sheffield Smooth!
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12-02-2015, 05:33 PM #60