Thread: ONE COTICULE HONING

If I were Bart, I would like to see normalcy declared and the group moving on.

I would like to see this thread talk about honing...................

Lynn

Originally Posted by gregs656

That it probably true, but you're pretty safe to say what ever the hell you like sat behind a keyboard.

I also don't it is just what is said, but the much great room for interpretation, with out body language you can sit at your computer in a bad mood and everything will come across as negative or snide, for example.

You've just got to say what you would say face to face and hope it is interpreted how you intended it to be.

That is true. Extra care has to be taken to avoid being misinterpreted and also not insisting on having the last word. Knowing when to quit. There is an old song, I think it was by Kenny Rogers, about playing poker. It says you have to know when to hold them, when to fold them, when to walk away, and when to run. People would be well served to apply that to Internet debates that turn into arguments. Brings to mind an admonition that I was told when I was an Ironworker apprentice many years ago,"Don't overload your ass with your mouth".

I think this would be a good time for all concerned to HONE their ability to be tolerant of eachother, SHARPEN their concern for the feelings of others on the forum and print and PASTE these thoughts on the old refrigerator.

All those in favor.......... _____

I know that my HONING skill has definitely improved as a result of reading the thoughts of two SHARP guys like Lynn and Bart, not to mention all the other great posters on the forum and I don't want it to go away.

Hang in there, guys............. Thanks JERRY
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Originally Posted by Lynn

I would like to see this thread talk about honing...................

Lynn

D'oh... of course.

I'm going to sharpen up a few more blades using this method on a different coticule today.

Originally Posted by FloorPizza

Add the fact that the double bevel formed with this technique is very small (read: very fragile), I had to constantly stop and strop the blade during the XTG and ATG passes. I don't believe that a soft steel honed with this method would retain an edge for very long, especially if you have a wiry beard. Using a harder steel would probably give better lasting edges.

I thought maybe we could discuss honing for a change...

I'm not sure if this belongs here or a new thread or an old thread but...

Is a double bevel actually weaker? I have barely played with it at all--really just enough to look at the effect under a microscope, so I don't have any actual experience with using a double bevel, but I don't understand why the edge should be weaker. The actual edge would be more obtuse and therefore should stronger. The shoulder between the first and second bevel would seem to be the point that would wear faster relative to the full face of a normal bevel but I would think that such shoulder wear would not have a significant impact on the edge.
For those of you who use a double bevel, does your edge dull faster?

Originally Posted by Utopian

I thought maybe we could discuss honing for a change...

I'm not sure if this belongs here or a new thread or an old thread but...

Is a double bevel actually weaker? I have barely played with it at all--really just enough to look at the effect under a microscope, so I don't have any actual experience with using a double bevel, but I don't understand why the edge should be weaker. The actual edge would be more obtuse and therefore should stronger. The shoulder between the first and second bevel would seem to be the point that would wear faster relative to the full face of a normal bevel but I would think that such shoulder wear would not have a significant impact on the edge.
For those of you who use a double bevel, does your edge dull faster?

The distance from the very edge to the shoulder of the bevel would be shorter than without the tape. I would think (but I have no proof) that this would cause the edge to be more fragile. It could also just be that I used a very soft blade for this experiment. One that I had not sharpened nor shaved with before, so it could just be that it is a particularly soft steel. I think I'll re-hone it without the tape, through a full course on the Shaptons and see if it still requires stropping during the shave.

Sheesh, the more I think about this the more I think you're right, Utopian... having the extra thickness further out should make it stronger..

On another note, I just got done honing three more blades on a different coticule using this method. This coticule is much faster than my other one, but usually doesn't finish out as well. For some reason, they do feel smoother than the finish I usually get from this stone. Could the extra angle added from the tape make a difference in the smoothness of the edge the stone gives?

The more I hone, the more questions I have, and the more I'm convinced I don't know anything... and I can prove it.

I have been wanting to ask about the double bevel (perhaps this isn't the thread to discuss it, but it is less of a hijack than it could be).

I would think that if the more obtuse bevel has advantages in the double bevel, why not just use the more obtuse angle from the beginning? As Utopian says, I would expect it to be stronger.

Originally Posted by Utopian

I thought maybe we could discuss honing for a change...

I'm not sure if this belongs here or a new thread or an old thread but...

Is a double bevel actually weaker? I have barely played with it at all--really just enough to look at the effect under a microscope, so I don't have any actual experience with using a double bevel, but I don't understand why the edge should be weaker. The actual edge would be more obtuse and therefore should stronger. The shoulder between the first and second bevel would seem to be the point that would wear faster relative to the full face of a normal bevel but I would think that such shoulder wear would not have a significant impact on the edge.
For those of you who use a double bevel, does your edge dull faster?

The concept or application of a double bevel, on razors is a pretty interesting subject to me...could we start a new thread on that for feedback?
There are some comments i remember reading, from various people, but nothing brought together in a single thread.

I can start one, but didnt want to steal your subject Utopian.

Thanks,
Mac

the double bevel is stronger
no ifs, ands, or buts
ask an engineer
I don't need a thread to tell me, and I don't intend to get into a ****ing match with anyone over what I know to be fact

I have been using them exclusively for a while now

ALSO

remember my thread about microchipping stainless?

that's right, double bevel is how I finished a edge from 4K -->Escher
try it with a single bevel if you have hours to waste
single bevels have now officially become a waste of my time