Thread: Selling On Ebay

From Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

I dont see what this has to do with "paki razor". The word racist is thrown around an awful lot, and alot of the time it is used incorrectly. Pakistani, Russian, American or Itallian....none are a race, they are a nationality. I dont think that saying "paki razors are no good" even implies that whatever race Pakistanis are is a substandard race. Thats just silly.

To quote the princess bride "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

not tryin to flame here, just pointing out that an inflammatory word was used to describe somethin that it definitly was not.

I think there's more to it than what has been said. Most on Eboy are collectors and they don't give a rat's a** about shave ready. They are interested in name and condition and scale material. Our German friends sell mostly NOS classic razors and guys like the maestro or other razor makers have a reputation because they make the things themselves. There is limited appeal for shave ready razors and I think that market is getting saturated. I think your best bet is advertise here and on the other shave forums until you get a reputation. Just my 2 cents.

Thats a good point. I bought my first here from ivo because it felt a little less like a shot in the dark and Ivo has been a great help when I've had questions.
Although I think Vince will look after you whether you buy from here or ebay.

There is nothing to read into what my original post stated. Is it worth it. That's all I meant. Take into consireration the time on cleaning a straight razor, honing, and polishing.

It should be obvious that these razors are not meant for collectors, why would a collector care if it's shave ready?

I buy straight razors off of ebay and other places, restore them, and offer them for auction. If the market is so saturated, why are there so many questions on honing?

To compare me to Maestro Levi is ridiculous. All I offer is a razor that will shave.

To a beginner that's a big deal, and a good deal to an experienced shaver it's one to ad to the rotation. Not everyone can afford a Buffer, Sander, Dremel, Norton, Belgium, Diamond Paste, Green paste.

That's what I meant. Is it worth selling on Ebay. Nothing more.

Vince,
I think it will be worth it now as many of us are aware of you. I occasionally buy eBay razors and almost always buy only from known sellers becausxe of the dud factor. Your offerings look great.

I'd make a "Buy Sell Trade" or quick mention on the Ebay Auction threads when you list a few things, along with your seller name and people wqill watch and buy.

At the current prices of both collector and user razors I don't think we are over-saturated yet.

Now the collector vs. user market does vary. I was watching a few Dubl Ducks Sunday night. Two NOS #1 Specials brought far more in NOS condition than shave ready from Altima the same evening. Of course Bob's was listed last and after 3 earlier sales of nearly identical razors (2 NOS and 1 excelent versions) over a 3 hour period maybe the Dubl Duck #1 market was oversaturated.

Tony

Vince, for what it's worth I'm bidding on two of your items.
Best of luck, they're great looking razors and if they're as shave-ready as you say I'm sure you'll be able to drum up some repeat business.

Originally Posted by alexaggie

From Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

I dont see what this has to do with "paki razor". The word racist is thrown around an awful lot, and alot of the time it is used incorrectly. Pakistani, Russian, American or Itallian....none are a race, they are a nationality. I dont think that saying "paki razors are no good" even implies that whatever race Pakistanis are is a substandard race. Thats just silly.

To quote the princess bride "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

not tryin to flame here, just pointing out that an inflammatory word was used to describe somethin that it definitly was not.

I love that book/film (the book is soooo much better than the film) but I do tend to agree. Someone from pakistan could just as easily be caucasion (did I spell that right? it's not a word I use a lot).

Saying someone is from a certain country means nothing as to the race or traits of that person. Just like most south africans I know are caucasion as well.

It only starts becoming derogatory if you imply that there is something wrong with the PEOPLE from that place. A product means nothing as to race. Paki is to Pakistani like Britt is to Brittons. As Aussie is to Australian. There's nothing detogatory about that. I've lived in scotland for 2 years. I know people can be sensitive but not allowing anyone to abbreviate a simple word is just silly.

Originally Posted by ernestrome

I understand that Paki may just be an easy abbreviation and hence it's use here. However, in britain at least it has racist associations, and i would prefer if we did not use it.

Which in itself is absolutely ridiculous, I don't consider being called a brit racist and nor do I believe the aussies consider aussie racist.

What is more worrying is that people give it the connotation of being a 'Paki' is something to be ashamed of! What an insult!

Originally Posted by Bradford Si

What is more worrying is that people give it the connotation of being a 'Paki' is something to be ashamed of! What an insult!

Its political correctness...

The problem is that in the UK - and coming from Bradford Si you would know this - is that there is a sizeable immigrant population from the asian subcontinent, and that the "p" word has been used to label anyone from that area - including Bangladesh and India - in a negative way. Its not the words fault. I think its a handy way to abbreviate, and people from Pakistan should be proud of their heritage and wear the word in the same way I like Brit, and Aussies do Aussies.

My feelings are that at the end of the day a British razor somes from Britain, and you can label it so, and make basic assumptions as to its quality. Why can't a Pakistani razor be a razor that comes from Pakistan, with the same assumptions being made and shortening of the name? Because of political correctness. Crazy if you ask me. The true irony is that its because they are an "ethnic minority". Last I looked, the subcontinents population outnumbered Europes 3:1.

Back on topic, have you tried selling through some other ebays - Germany for example??? I know postage would be an issue, but the tat that turns up over here most of the time...

Si

Originally Posted by Bradford Si

Which in itself is absolutely ridiculous, I don't consider being called a brit racist and nor do I believe the aussies consider aussie racist.

What is more worrying is that people give it the connotation of being a 'Paki' is something to be ashamed of! What an insult!

(Apologies, very here.)

Thing is Si, people don't call you a Brit by spitting it out with venom. However, I've seen and heard racist kids (when we were at school in the 70s/80s) literally spitting the word out in some poor Asian kid's face (and most often these kids were not Pakistani but from India, Sri Lanka, even the Middle East!), screwing up their face which was filled with visible hatred.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to encounter someone using the term Brit with that sort of hatred. In fact, if someone tried I'd think it would look comical, since clearly Brit carries no racist connotation. Now Limey, Pom, etc. you might have a case for, but not Brit.

I'm half Chinese. At school I got called Chink all the time, most often when someone wanted to humiliate, denigrate, or generally be cruel to me. Thus phrases such as "Going for a Chinky" (for our US friends: to eat a Chinese meal) can feel humiliating/racist even if not intended.

That said, I haven't raised the issue of calling a substandard blade from Pakistan a 'Paki' on this forum because clearly there is zero racist intent. Just an unfortunate connotation to us Brits who live with a alternate (racist) meaning. However, I still couldn't bring myself to type 'Paki' when just talking about blades. My own hang-up I guess!