Thread: Think these are Chanley's?

Gotta say they look an awful lot like Tam O Shanter stones.

VINTAGE DARK GREEN CHARNLEY FOREST SHARPENING STONE!!! | eBay

VINTAGE LIGHT GREEN CHARNLEY FOREST SHARPENING STONE!!! | eBay

Maybe they could be Lynn Idwals, but I really don't think they are CF's. Though identifying CF can be a guessing game quite often.

Do not look anything like the Charnleys I have seen. At all. No reddish striation through the stone for starters. Mystery greek stone more like it!

They are not CF's for sure. They're the swirly speckled stones from the UK that are either some type of ToS or Llyn Idwal. The opinions differ and I don't know who is right

I don't find mine nearly as fine as my CF's.

I wonder if bacchus7-2007 knows they're not CF's. He routinely puts Guangxis for sale as (vintage) unnamed finishers in between vintage stones.

This begs the question--were UK stones exported all over Europe? I find it curious all of these UK stones are turning up in Greece. Obviously, this is a situation where one wants to be cautious. But, there might be something good there. Perhaps the seller has contacts with lots of old time barbers???

I was looking at these two items earlier today. Now, I don't know much about charnley's, but even I was sitting at the computer thinking "hmmm I don't see any of the red that people are talking about....."

Not ALL Charnleys have red/purple in them, however the majority do. Those don't look like CFs that I have seen, and I have seen a few, multiples of 10. There are a few stones that look like that, including Arks, Tam O'Shanters and Idwalls. It is impossible to say from only a picture but I think they are likely specimens of the latter.

I have indeed seen that seller successfully sell PHIGs under 'vintage whatevers.' I wouldn't trust him because of this and his misrepresentation of the CFs. Not to defame the seller but often his hones are just listed as 'ultra fine,' and in responses to my queries I have received 'ultra fine!!!! You will not be disappointed!!!!!' with as many exclamations as that, of which I infer that the seller really has little clue if any about what he is selling.

Originally Posted by Scipio

Not ALL Charnleys have red/purple in them, however the majority do. Those don't look like CFs that I have seen, and I have seen a few, multiples of 10. There are a few stones that look like that, including Arks, Tam O'Shanters and Idwalls. It is impossible to say from only a picture but I think they are likely specimens of the latter.

I have indeed seen that seller successfully sell PHIGs under 'vintage whatevers.' I wouldn't trust him because of this and his misrepresentation of the CFs. Not to defame the seller but often his hones are just listed as 'ultra fine,' and in responses to my queries I have received 'ultra fine!!!! You will not be disappointed!!!!!' with as many exclamations as that, of which I infer that the seller really has little clue if any about what he is selling.

If you haven't purchased from him, it doesn't quite seem fair to call his honesty into question. I have purchased one of his Charnley Forest hones, and he offered to take the hone back for a full refund if I wasn't satisfied. Regarding whether the stone is a Charnley or something else, mine was represented to be a Charnley, and it looks just like another of the "plain green" Charnleys that I bought from another source. The stone does NOT have the dramatic red spots or stripes that some Charnleys have, but I think even Neil Miller agrees that the plain green Charnleys are still Charnleys. The hone also polishes and finishes like a Charnley, so I didn't return it and I wouldn't consider selling it either. It's a great hone.

Is it possible that the stone is a TOS? I don't see that as a possibility, as the surface detail looks completely different and the hone is a much, much finer grit than any TOS I've ever seen. Is it possible that the stone is a Llyn Idwall? That's at least possible in my view because the grain structure and grit of the two stones are similar, although my Llyn Idwall from another source is a completely different color (dark grey rather than light green).

I don't know what to say about the number of exclamation points he uses in emails, but I don't think that's necessarily a good reason to doubt the guy's honesty, especially if he's selling stones successfully to so many people, including me.

I bought a paddle of him once, and there were no issues. Those however, are not Charnleys therefore this is not libel in respect of words calculated to disparage the seller in any profession, trade or business held or carried by him for it is fair comment. I hold this opinion as those are not Charnleys, neither is there any malice on my behalf. I have seen many Charnleys, of both the drab green variety (though lesser so) that is referred to in Neil's literature, in addition to the more commonly red striped or blotched specimens. I know what I am talking about, and do not negligently or recklessly write to defame others, neither will I advise as to an issue that I can not support with facts or a qualified opinion. This is misrepresentation and as a member here who has likely seen more Charnleys in real life as opposed to pictures than many, I wish to look out for fellow SRP members who may be fooled by the seller.

Originally Posted by Scipio

I bought a paddle of him once, and there were no issues. Those however, are not Charnleys therefore this is not libel in respect of words calculated to disparage the seller in any profession, trade or business held or carried by him for it is fair comment. I hold this opinion as those are not Charnleys, neither is there any malice on my behalf. I have seen many Charnleys, of both the drab green variety (though lesser so) that is referred to in Neil's literature, in addition to the more commonly red striped or blotched specimens. I know what I am talking about, and do not negligently or recklessly write to defame others, neither will I advise as to an issue that I can not support with facts or a qualified opinion. This is misrepresentation and as a member here who has likely seen more Charnleys in real life as opposed to pictures than many, I wish to look out for fellow SRP members who may be fooled by the seller.

No big deal, and no offense intended. I had a great experience dealing with him, and he seemed to be honest and willing to give refunds. What I bought from him happens to be a great hone and, in my opinion, is a CF. If you say he's a crook and the stone is not a Charnley, that's ok with me too. It happens to be very easy in this forum to make accusations without much evidence and a lot harder to respond to them, so I just wanted to point out that this seller is entitled to a fair shake, at least until someone comes forward with some evidence that he's not what he says. That's all I wanted to offer, thanks.

I never said he was a 'crook.' That's a very strong word, and you have no reason to infer it either. Fraud requires a requisite intention, and that I doubt he has. The PHIGs he sold as 'vintage whatevers,' he may well have acquired from a Pakistani market as private correspondence between him and myself confirmed. I believe he is mistaken to those hones being Charnleys as they are green and likely to be above an 8K polish, whether they are Tams or Idwalls. He could well be mistaken, but I am not. A mistaken seller is not a crook, they simply are negligent, as are you for inferring and subsequently publicising that I deem him to be so. The fact that he is offering refunds is fair and I hope that if someone does happen to purchase a stone from him under the illusion it is something that it is not because of representations he has made, that they will either enjoy the stone if it happens to be as great as he claims (all of them are 'ultra fine!!!!!!') or he will indeed issue a refund.