Thread: After you gasp, on to the answer

There is only on way to find out and I would be curious to hear what your thoughts are after you do the deed. I will say that slicing a piece of beef effortlessly does not give any indication of the feed back your face will give you. To me there are two components to a good razor edge, sharp and smooth. Smooth is the hard part of the equation. The blade that effortlessly slices beef may not be smooth enough not to leave your face feeling abused. Only one way to find that out. OTH I could be totally wrong on the two component bit.

Bob

Originally Posted by edhewitt

Headcrowny, don't say I didn't try to warn you...

Wait, you warned me?

Originally Posted by BobH

There is only on way to find out and I would be curious to hear what your thoughts are after you do the deed. I will say that slicing a piece of beef effortlessly does not give any indication of the feed back your face will give you. To me there are two components to a good razor edge, sharp and smooth. Smooth is the hard part of the equation. The blade that effortlessly slices beef may not be smooth enough not to leave your face feeling abused. Only one way to find that out. OTH I could be totally wrong on the two component bit.

Bob

Yup, no arguments from me. I'll be finding out soonish; the test eBay blade is on its way.

One thing that I think CANNOT be argued is the passion here. The veterans are passionate about helping someone that does not want help.

I feel for them and believe they are noble in their efforts to help a person that may not have the experience or wisdom they have EARNED through trials and experiments.

The only thing I can offer is encouragement to try it. I'd suggest that doing it the hard way is a great way to learn...unfortunately, it is also a great way to get frustrated and never really get into this way of life.

PLEASE do yourself a favor and (if you have not already) get a truly shave ready razor as a comparison standard. Without a calibration standard, all experiments are worthless.

I was in a similar position not that long ago. I was/am a very accomplished professional knife sharpener who learned (the hard way) that there really is something very different about a razor and its requirements for a shave ready edge.

Originally Posted by unit

One thing that I think CANNOT be argued is the passion here. The veterans are passionate about helping someone that does not want help.

I feel for them and believe they are noble in their efforts to help a person that may not have the experience or wisdom they have EARNED through trials and experiments.

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Very well said

Originally Posted by Headcrowny

Wait, you warned me?

Yes, see post #12. It wasn't a WARNING, but it was an implied warning. Please note at this point that I shouldnt really ever be taken that seriously. And that I am new to it all to.

Originally Posted by unit

One thing that I think CANNOT be argued is the passion here. The veterans are passionate about helping someone that does not want help.

I feel for them and believe they are noble in their efforts to help a person that may not have the experience or wisdom they have EARNED through trials and experiments.

The only thing I can offer is encouragement to try it. I'd suggest that doing it the hard way is a great way to learn...unfortunately, it is also a great way to get frustrated and never really get into this way of life.

PLEASE do yourself a favor and (if you have not already) get a truly shave ready razor as a comparison standard. Without a calibration standard, all experiments are worthless.

I was in a similar position not that long ago. I was/am a very accomplished professional knife sharpener who learned (the hard way) that there really is something very different about a razor and its requirements for a shave ready edge.

? I'm confused. First off, you assert I don't want help. How do you conclude that? Because I posed a question? And then responded to posts? That's how academics behave and it's how knowledge is accrued.

And you're sorry for people who've answered engaged in the discussion because I lack wisdom?

I try hard not to get annoyed by internet responses but I have to say that I am starting to lean that way as a result of this, I thought, harmless thread.

I apologize if I started something that approaches religious levels and merely posing a query becomes heresy. Truly bemused by the heat that's being generated and the unfounded intentions that are being applied to me. I have to respectfully disagree with Glen on this. I don't feel it's "Very well said". I feel that it's borderline insulting to me. Likely not intended that way but a dispassionate read would, I believe, support my interpretation.

And before anyone accuses me of anything else that I actually never said or implied, please be kind enough to quote the source material.

Respectfully,
Crowden

Originally Posted by Headcrowny

? I'm confused. First off, you assert I don't want help. How do you conclude that? Because I posed a question? And then responded to posts? That's how academics behave and it's how knowledge is accrued.

And you're sorry for people who've answered engaged in the discussion because I lack wisdom?

I try hard not to get annoyed by internet responses but I have to say that I am starting to lean that way as a result of this, I thought, harmless thread.

I apologize if I started something that approaches religious levels and merely posing a query becomes heresy. Truly bemused by the heat that's being generated and the unfounded intentions that are being applied to me. I have to respectfully disagree with Glen on this. I don't feel it's "Very well said". I feel that it's borderline insulting to me. Likely not intended that way but a dispassionate read would, I believe, support my interpretation.

And before anyone accuses me of anything else that I actually never said or implied, please be kind enough to quote the source material.

Respectfully,
Crowden

This is sort of what I was talking about with regards to it getting ugly. Obviously you should just be inately wise, I can't believe you didn't know that already . I am not having a go at you, I think its perfectly ok to ask questions, I have asked relatively inocent questions and got some fairly abrupt replies too. but on the other hand I have also been given some really good useful advice.

Originally Posted by Headcrowny

? I'm confused.

Bingo !!!


You asked, we answered, what is the problem


Yes, we have seen this before
No, it did not work well
Try it again if you want
No, I do not care how great you think it is, I would NEVER put a SR through it

Really what else do you want from us ????


We all tried politely to steer you toward the most proved path, but it is your path after all..

Here's a good place to start which may help you. Find out what are the geometrical sharpness tolerances for a razor edge, i.e. the thickness of the steel at the edge and the size of the 'teeth'.
Then you can decide if your knife sharpener would allow you to reach that level (apparently you are familiar with bearings, and their tolerances, so the part where you estimate how rough the sharpener is going to be on the edge should be easy for you).

I'm not going to tell you how to find those numbers, because there are at least three independent ways to do it and figuring out how to find them is going to help you a lot in getting the answer to your question.

The final answer is still 'it is not going to work', but if that doesn't satisfy you, you need to figure it out yourself. You could also take the hardest path possible and just try it and see what happens, but five to fifteen minutes of thinking and/or searching should save you that.


BTW, producing razor sharp edge with automated mechanical sharpener is a fairly simple technical problem and it's done all the time by the companies that make razor cartridges and DE blades - they do those by miles. But they do not use chef-knife pro systems. Building adequate equipment for that level of tolerance is only a matter of cost, which doesn't fall in the consumer price range.