Thread: Dubl Duck - Satinedge Goldedge - what's it all mean?

So how would one old ex employee who made Dovo Razors for DD know that only Dovo made razors for DD exclusively???? We already know there were DDs made in France and I don't think Dovo ever made razors in France.

Dovo may have well been DDs major supplier however it's more likely to assume there were other suppliers just based on variety and models than to assume the latter based on one guys recollection of what he experienced in a limited sense.

That's why it's all a mystery. You would need to see DD's invoices to really know unless your man ran the production and spoke to the owner of DD about all their possible sources.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

So how would one old ex employee who made Dovo Razors for DD know that only Dovo made razors for DD exclusively?

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

???

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

We already know there were DDs made in France and I don't think Dovo ever made razors in France.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Dovo may have well been DDs major supplier however it's more likely to assume there were other suppliers just based on variety and models than to assume the latter based on one guys recollection of what he experienced in a limited sense.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

That's why it's all a mystery.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You would need to see DD's invoices to really know unless your man ran the production and spoke to the owner of DD about all their possible sources.

Nelson, we've known each other for, what, ten years? You are not fooling anyone here. You are far too knowledgeable and intelligent to act in such an intentionally obtuse way without looking completely out of character. Just because maybe (and that is very, very, very big maybe) some Dubl Ducks may not have been made by Dovo doesn't mean that you don't stand a 99% chance of owning a Dovo if you own a Dubl Duck. Which is great news. Dovo made fantastic razors back then.

You are basing your opinion on what an ex employee said about Dovo and DD. How does he know where DD obtained ALL their razors from???? Show us the evidence.

I'm not saying Dovo didn't make razors for DD and they very well might have made most but all?

But Nelson, nobody said that Dovo made all Dubl Ducks. Except, of course, you. Therefore, here is a quick explanation of the logical fallacy you're committing (source Wikipedia, highlights by yours truly):

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

If that petty rhetorical trick is the best you can come up with, that's fine by me. In the meantime, may I gently remind you that you have still failed to deliver even a shred of proof that DDs were made in France or the US? Did you speak to anyone who was there when it happened? Or, better yet, are there any papers left? Because the archives in Solingen went up in flames in 1944.

So, it's not really a big mystery. Just a lot of unnecessary drama. May I suggest that we leave it at that? We'll be running round in circles until you come up with proof that anyone except Dovo made these razors (by the way, I'm not arguing that anyone did, in fact I'd be mildly surprised if they didn't, because there are still thousands of them around, so chances are that over time, other manufacturers were involved, such as Puma).

It is simple, saying a Dovo employee told you something does not make it fact, basically it's hearsay. That is OK though because I think we are all "cleared to Rumour" on this forum.

Bob

You see, Bob, if you guys spent less money on artisan soaps and razors, and booked a trip to Solingen instead (granted, you'd have to learn the language first), you could actually find out for yourself. Since you don't, and since the RAF and USAF made some massive changes to Solingen's archives, "hearsay" is all you'll ever get. And you should be thankful for it, because there are only very, very few people alive who were there when it happened. I will, however, leave the rumour part to the guys with a vested interest here.

Funny though that no one has come up with any proof for Nelson's claim of DDs having been made in France and the US. I mean, you guys started this "but where is da proof????" silliness in the first place. Foot, mouth - you know?

Originally Posted by RobinK

You see, Bob, if you guys spent less money on artisan soaps and razors, and booked a trip to Solingen instead (granted, you'd have to learn the language first), you could actually find out for yourself. Since you don't, and since the RAF and USAF made some massive changes to Solingen's archives, "hearsay" is all you'll ever get. And you should be thankful for it, because there are only very, very few people alive who were there when it happened. I will, however, leave the rumour part to the guys with a vested interest here.

Funny though that no one has come up with any proof for Nelson's claim of DDs having been made in France and the US. I mean, you guys started this "but where is da proof????" silliness in the first place. Foot, mouth - you know?

For one presume far too much. I speak enough of the language to get by on visits to my family in Germany some of whom do live near Solingen.

You could add the RCAF into the mix of air-forces that bombed Germany in WWII destroying records and in the process making "hearsay" all that is left to go on. That puts any statements by anyone, you or TBS, into the "hearsay" class unless solid documentary proof is produced. So far I have not seen any documentary proof. No vested interest here just recognizing things for what they are.

Personally I am glad that there are still a few oldtimers left that can add to the knowledge base. I do take that knowledge with a grain of salt as an individual's experience and view of things is necessarily limited by their personal circumstances and prejudices.

At least that is my POV from behind the huge pile of artisan soaps and razors obscuring my vision that you presume I have difficulty seeing past. It is sometimes difficult to do so but we do try you know.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

For one presume far too much. I speak enough of the language to get by on visits to my family in Germany some of whom do live near Solingen.

You could add the RCAF into the mix of air-forces that bombed Germany in WWII destroying records and in the process making "hearsay" all that is left to go on. That puts any statements by anyone, you or TBS, into the "hearsay" class unless solid documentary proof is produced. So far I have not seen any documentary proof. No vested interest here just recognizing things for what they are.

Personally I am glad that there are still a few oldtimers left that can add to the knowledge base. I do take that knowledge with a grain of salt as an individual's experience and view of things is necessarily limited by their personal circumstances and prejudices.

At least that is my POV from behind the huge pile of artisan soaps and razors obscuring my vision that you presume I have difficulty seeing past. It is sometimes difficult to do so but we do try you know.

Bob

What, is arko artisan?

Originally Posted by edhewitt

What, is arko artisan?

Well, that depends on who told you it was but that is just a rumour.

Bob

Time to put this all to bed.