Thread: Transitioning from tools to razors

Originally Posted by 32t

I would love to see the reaction … paper!

Ok… this is so common on YouTube for both tool sharpeners and I’ve seen a few razor fellas do it too. It is taboo… good to know.

I would like to see some of these videos.

To me using a straight on paper turns it into a letter opener.

Originally Posted by Scatterjoy

Then there’s definitely a 4-8k gap.

And then some.
I started with DMT's & soon learnt that they cut much deeper than an equivalent water stone grit. Your gap is closer to 2k -8k from the extra fine DMT.
They're ok for fast removal of corroded steel but a shaving edge ? Nuh-uh. Where you have a deep scratch ending at the edge is where a razor will chip.

Oh and wetndri 1k is about = to approx. 600 grit JIS water stone.

I'd suggest getting a 1k, 4k, & 8k and as your 12k is Naniwa keep to the same brand. K.I.S.S. principle FTW.

Really great. I thought DMT stones were much finer. And the paper….

As a tool-sharp guy, I’ve never had anything as sharp as this in my hand but it’s not even close to shave ready. I’ll focus on that 8k range. Get some lapping knowledge, confirm I’m not stropping it to death… It’s mirror sharp aside from a few visible scratches and no burs or lip reflections. Just amazed that’s all. It’s certainly fun.

I’d recommend SHAPTON Ha No Kuromaku stones. They are readily available and are quite reasonably priced. I’ve seen sets of 1k, 5k, 8k for under $250 CANADIAN. The 5k and 8k would nicely lead to your 12k finisher.

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Originally Posted by 32t

I would like to see some of these videos.

To me using a straight on paper turns it into a letter opener.

Minute 4:23 here the very first search. Ok. Now I know this too. I don’t have any relation to this dude

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lASfmYFMQ44

. It’s common to see folks prove on paper but the true test is on “tree top” free standing hair, right?

Originally Posted by Scatterjoy

Really great. I thought DMT stones were much finer. And the paper….

As a tool-sharp guy, I’ve never had anything as sharp as this in my hand but it’s not even close to shave ready. I’ll focus on that 8k range. Get some lapping knowledge, confirm I’m not stropping it to death… It’s mirror sharp aside from a few visible scratches and no burs or lip reflections. Just amazed that’s all. It’s certainly fun.

Mirror is not sharp. The edge is what's sharp
Something can be mirror polished (the bevel) and the edge is crap.
Some natural stones leave a hazy, sometimes scratchy looking bevel.
The absolute edge is all that matters! Once you can see it well you will understand.
Once the bevel is set and it MUST be set before moving forward, the rest is just smoothing out what is there without degrading the edge at all.

Originally Posted by Scatterjoy

but the true test is on “tree top” free standing hair, right?

Hi and welcome to SRP. The only true test is the actual shave. Hanging hair, thumb pad, thumb nail tests etc will only give you a guide, which is not always reliable. I can 'tree top' arm hair off a 3k, but the razor won't shave through tough chin stubble coz it's not shave ready. I would recommend staying with a synthetic progression when leaning to hone razors. They will give consistent results unlike some naturals. Honing razors is a challenge, but an enjoyable one. There are so many variables to consider.

I too agree with a synthetic progression.

U can buy a whole set of Naniwas for a decent price. Also is the importance of magnification.

Creating a perfect bevel before moving to the next hone is the most, paramount, procedure in honing.

Check out our library, on honing, and advanced honing procedures.

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Originally Posted by Scatterjoy

Adding loupe…15x is enough? Ok. On iit boss

Many find the Belomo 10x to be enough. It must be true magnification and good glass.
Cheap loupes do not offer what is advertised.