Thread: Strike against Syria

Originally Posted by shooter74743

Personally I think we need to mind our own business and look inward at our own problems before finger pointing and being a world police...plenty wrong under our own roof.

Scott I totally agree with you. Unfortunately our Commander in Chief has created a "red line" which. was none of this country's business. Now he needs to save embarrasment and put all of us at risk with the possibility of a Mideast war. How happy are we now with him at the president's office?

Originally Posted by BanjoTom

Scott I totally agree with you. Unfortunately our Commander in Chief has created a "red line" which. was none of this country's business. Now he needs to save embarrasment and put all of us at risk with the possibility of a Mideast war. How happy are we now with him at the president's office?

How happy? LOL, not very. This is a President that campaigned on closing gitmo - its still open. He campaigned on fixing the economy - its worse than when he started. He campaigned on ending the wars - after taking his time, he pulled us out of Iraq (something long overdue), escalated matters in Afghanistan, foolishly got us involved in Libya, and is now about to try to keep our enemies from killing each other in Syria. I haven't seen anything about the President getting Congressional approval for any military action (something he insisted Bush was obligated to do) but if he does I suspect that he might have to explain what our NATIONAL INTEREST is in getting involved there. Because he is NOT going to put boots on the ground, he won't be able to secure any of those chemical weapons. You can't bomb the facilities without killing more people when you vaporize all of that stuff. So what are his options and what national interest do they serve?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

The Pew Research did a study, found here, that lists the world religions by demographic & population.

Our only hope lies with the 16.3%.

I'm reminded of this fable. Aesop was a wise man.

AesopFables.com - The Scorpion and the Frog - General Fable collection

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I'm a bit out of the loop - what is the US intending to do? Attack Syria?

James.

LOL Great

Ummmm Jimbo Australia is actually going in on this too...

I know very little about Islam. I also have never seen definitive data on which of the following is actually true: 1) Islam as a religion is radical and a threat to anyone non-Islam or 2) Islam as a religion is NOT radical, is instead peaceful and those Islamists that believe otherwise are the radicals who are misinterpreting or not following the true Islamic religion. What is the correct answer? I'm betting it's impossible to answer.

I do want to make a comparison to illustrate my question:

I am Catholic. Roman Catholicism is guided by The Magisterium (the teaching authority of the Catholic Church). This means that the Catholic Church has a singular voice of authority on doctrine. Do Catholics believe all doctrine taught by the Catholic Church? Many do not. Many are therefore Catholic in name only or known as "Cafeteria Catholics" picking and choosing what they like about the religion and discarding what they're opposed to.

If I were told ad nauseum by the media that just because the Catholic Church (The Magesterium) may hold "radical" beliefs in regard to certain things that society now embraces, I should be comforted in knowing that millions of Catholics are not radical because millions of Catholics embrace changing societal norms whole hog, personally the number of Catholics who are counter to their faith means nothing to me. Why? It matters in what the Catholic Church teaches authoritatively as doctrine. It's really not material in that regard if a large number of Catholics are in fact not practicing their faith.

So.....regardless of the number of "non-radical" Muslims in the world, my question that I do not know the answer to is whether or not the Islamic Religion teaches without question, a belief system that if adhered to, is harmful to non-Muslims?

You can't compare Catholicism with Islam since my understanding is that unlike Catholicism, there is no equivalent to a Magisterium in Islam. That's why I don't think my question can be answered. I don't believe there's a single unified authority in Islam. Am I correct?

I just keep wondering when I hear, ad nauseum, that Islam is a peaceful religion and "radical" Muslims are nut jobs that are taking Islam out of context and condemned by most Muslims and are NOT a true representation of Islam. Are they not a true representation of Islam? Or, are they a true representation of Islam and most Muslims are simply not practicing their faith as Islam teaches? THAT'S my question. Again, I don't think I'll ever get an authoritative answer on that. I've had that question for years.

ChrisL

I won't claim to be a full authority in Islam but I did study Eastern religions in college. One of the core beliefs of Christianity is the concept of free will. You can choose your path. You can follow the teachings of the church, practice your faith, and/or do Gods work. Or, not. At the core, there is choice. Islam has a different approach in that the core belief is that of submission. You don't choose, you submit. At this point ill delve into personal belief and tell you that this core philosophy is in contrast not only to the religions that preceded it but our way of life in general. While we can choose to be tolerant of all religions, it does not appear to be in the nature of Islam to be tolerant of other religions. The inscription on the dome near the Temple Mount speaks volumes. "O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son." In these words, the concept of Christianity and Judism is dismissed as rubbish. Christianity had its moments in history of intolerance. That is a matter of record. But it required a twisting of the teachings of Christ to justify it. That was a different point in time when politics, law, power, and Christianity all came together in a terrible way. Since then, Christianity has shed that aggressive stance and tried to remain true to the teachings. Islam, in my eyes, has not gone through that same renaissance. Is it inherently evil? I can't say. But it seems inconsistent with our way of life.

Chris you raise an interesting question. A partial answer, for me, comes from the silence of the majority of Muslims, in the context of continued outrages attributed to the Wasibi sect. There is no demonstrated outrage condemning their nefarious action by a Muslim majority. The Coptic Christians are being exterminated in this protective silence.

The Tomes above make me crazy,the thread has wandered way off course
The thread is about: should countrys (any country) that use Chem weapons be punished for doing so.
Has nothing to do with religions,Islam,whatsoever,if they want to kill innocent people,so be it.
we cannot police the world any longer.

2007 Biden and Obama both say the president has no constitutional authority to take unilateral military action. Biden goes so far as to call it an impeachable offense! I guess they were speaking not of the President in general but George W. Bush in particular. The hypocrisy is borderline painful. It still boggles my mind that in a country full of brilliant people, these two buffoons run our country and were actually re-elected. Obama pulled this cowboy crap in Libya too but our state controlled media missed that. If Obama was a Republican, he would have likely been impeached and probably exiled by now.
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