Thread: Nelson Mandela

Mandela was a communist. You might inquire to why he was thrown in prison in the first place. Don't shoot the messenger, find out for yourself.

Originally Posted by lz6

Nelson Mandela passed on today. A truly inspirational man. RIP Mr. Mandela.

I have little knowledge & mixed feelings about him, but I find no wrong with Bob's OP,,He did pass today & he was definitely inspirational to many.

R.I.P.

Before some of you turn this into another contentious thread, I would suggest that you think twice why are you here on this site.

I can assure you that we aren't going to allow this to become a dump for ideological trash even if we have to use the ban button to ensure it.

I hope that we can all behave the way it behoves grown up human beings.

I have just done a bit of research, he was not a communist, he was a social democrat, he did form MK in conjunction with the communist party in south Africa, so he was known to be a communist sympathiser.
I don't think whether or not he was a communist really matters does it?

With regards to the violent past, I don't think people should throw stones too far when talking about using violence to overthrow governments and reigemes. It has happened and does still happen in plenty of parts of the world.

R.I.P. Mr Madela http://straightrazorpalace.com/conve...sculpture.html

UKRob

Yes, I am a 100% American and d**n glad and fortunate enough to be born and live here. I notice you are from the UK. Have you lived in South Africa at anytime? Vacations do not count

I never asked for people or you to press like, my response made with my personal thoughts and political feelings.

We have had our problems throughout our short time as a country. Ask the Americans in the US where they would rather be. Make sure you ask all Americans no matter who they are, color of their skin or what country they came from. You might be surprised how many say the US. Although, I do wish some of the Hollywood folks would to the UK like they promised.

When you say equal rights, I am assuming you are talking about the 1960s Civil Rights era. There have been many things in the past that would offend people today. Did the Klan ever string up a black man, they did. Was a boy murdered for whistling at a white girl, yes he was. There were many atrocities that happened, but time changes things. White only water fountains, white only bathrooms, white only lunch counters do not exist. These and many more do not exist due to time and the people that stood or sat down. That would be Rosa Parks in case you did not know. Are there still racist in the US, you bet. Are tolerated as in the past, Nope. Do they have any racist in the UK?

There were good and bad guys in the 60s. MalcolmX and the Black Panthers did not help the cause. People like Rosa Parks, Dr King and many Americans (White and Black) helped change things here in the US. The gentlemen who made a stand at a lunch counter in a Woolworth. These are the people who made changes.

Now there was the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It started in 1963 under JFK and signed into law by LBJ. In case you did not know they were both White and elected to the office of President of the United States.

There are good and bad people in our Country. I admit that. It is the nature of human beings. The issues in the US are not White/Black. There are racial issues in every nationality. If this is not the same in your Country, please tell me and be able to explain your statements.

As to your statement that White people have plenty of guns. You might want study up on that statement. We allow citizens to buy firearms no matter who they are ( except convicted felons ). I cannot remember which one of the founding Father made this stamen " A citizen should not fear his goverment, the government should fear the Citizens". I know that is not exact. It would be difficult to take over a armed society. Could defend your family and friends against your Government or just accept the decisions the make for you? Other Countries have said that they never considered invading the US because there would be a armed citizen behind every tree. It did not work out so well for the country who tried.

I am not going to use this thread to go back and forth with you on race issues. Please feel free to PM me.

Originally Posted by SS502MC

I am not going to use this thread to go back and forth with you on race issues. Please feel free to PM me.

I think that's a good idea.

I am fairly certain that no one here can understand what it was like to grow up a black boy in the apartheid system, so lets not judge what we don't understand. What I can say for certain is that Mandela stood up for what he knew was right through some hellacious situations. I for one think it was a great loss and wish there were more men like him in the world.

As a South African, I would like to state:

His early years spoke of who he really was, and who he still was in his core when he died. He was regarded as a terrorist and a communist, killing people with bombs etc. That is the truth. And I was born in 1978, I wasnt even old enough to vote in the first election. For me, I have always been in a democracy, some of my best friends are black. So no, you cant call me a racist. I am a realist

The media made him into a demi god. The world just lapped up the media's words.

Just a few facts. Under the apartheid regime, the black people had much better education, healthcare system, public transport, road infrastructure etc. What happened when the ANC came into power, they plundered the state coffers, so much so that South Africa is one of the top countries on the corruption list. I am ashamed to say that.

As for the firearms: When us white folks apply for firearms, we have to go through a competency check to see if yo have no criminal record, no anger issues, call your neigbours etc. Then if that is granted, you apply for your license, you have to give letters of motivation why you want the firearm, letters of people that have hunted with you, endorsements from your local hunting association etc. This whole process takes up to a year, before you can actually hold the firearm in your hands for the first time.

Most burglaries where a weapon is used, that weapon is unlicensed. bought on the black market. there are radical groups in SA that wants SA to be gun free. Reason being so that the burglars can then plunder and kill more. White folks are fedup with this, there is now an unwritten rule that if you see an intruder in your house, you shoot to kill. No questions asked. So as to why wasnt he assasinated? Cause that would have put the cat among the pigeons. We are also capitalists, so we know how to adapt etc.

So again, what was the legacy of Nelson Mandela? Yes, he "freed" South Africa, but look at all the carnage that has happened. The current president is behaving like a dictator.

But for all of this, I would not go to another country. I believe that my country is one of the best in the world, and I will work every day very hard to uplift my country.

I did a little research on our illustrious world hero and leader of “civil rights.” Check it out for yourself and don’t believe me:
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The fact is that even Amnesty International refused to take on Nelson Mandela’s case because they asserted that he was no political prisoner but had committed numerous violent crimes and had had a fair trial and a reasonable sentence.

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.

South African President P.W. Botha had, on a number of occasions, offered Nelson Mandela freedom from prison, if he would only renounce terrorist violence. This Mandela refused to do.