Thread: Ivory

Problem is the human population is outgrowing its home (earth) and eventually to survive it will require every resource this planet has just for it to survive till it starves because it hast exhausted the resources. Unless a natural disaster or war culls the herd, spanish influenza, the plague, etc all happened when population was smaller, imagine its means of travel with more people living in such close proximity to one another.

Originally Posted by DennisBarberShop

Problem is the human population is outgrowing its home (earth) and eventually to survive it will require every resource this planet has just for it to survive till it starves because it hast exhausted the resources. Unless a natural disaster or war culls the herd, spanish influenza, the plague, etc all happened when population was smaller, imagine its means of travel with more people living in such close proximity to one another.

Yes, nature has a way of correcting things

Europe was an over-crowded, corrupt, crime ridden toilet in the 13th and 14th centuries, where there wasn't enough resources for anyone to live, let alone prosper.

Then along came a thing called, The Black Death, the Bubonic plague, which threw a party and, "all in all, the plague reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million down to 350–375 million in the 14th century. The aftermath of the plague created a series of religious, social, and economic upheavals, which had profound effects on the course of European history."

Those upheavals, and the result of the mass dying, and hence, freeing of land and resources, are commonly referred to as, "The Renaissance", which led to some of the most magnificent advances in virtually every aspect of society.

Nature, and usually with the assistance of Man in some form, has a way, every couple of hundred years, whether through war, famine, or other natural disasters, of resetting things by wiping out a large chunk of the population. History will tell us it's inevitable, it's just a matter of where and when it will start...and what will be left, again, to rise and rebuild again out of the aftermath.

Cheerio!



edit:...and now....back to Elephants, or is it Ivory?

The Black Death actually solidified the hold of the Ruling Class over the Masses. The Man was still the Man!
Most of them made it. Some thing to do with horses and fleas.

I think it's time I post a reminder about civility and decorum required on this site.

I understand that emotions can get high, and then people start veering towards exaggeration, false equivalencies, and general nonsense.

So, if you are in a frustrated state, please stop for a moment, reconsider your post before you hit the 'Submit' button.

Tell me Ludvig isn't happy on his first birthday!

Originally Posted by gugi

I think it's time I post a reminder about civility and decorum required on this site.

I understand that emotions can get high, and then people start veering towards exaggeration, false equivalencies, and general nonsense.

So, if you are in a frustrated state, please stop for a moment, reconsider your post before you hit the 'Submit' button.

My apologies.

I guess im stumped isn't it already the law that to sell ivory ,,it must be preban stuff that is already harvested and here stored legally , not new poached ivory ,that is illegal. so that would mean our government is telling us that they can tell us what and when and how we deal with our posessions. that were legally gained? I don't know that this was the country I bled for any more. I do care about this mammal that needs protecting ,but making it illegal to sell or transport ivory that is already in the system and legal has nothing to do with what is happening to them now. I don't know the answer, but I'll wager neither do our politicians, and going after law abiding citizens is not what they were sent to Washington to do! my two cents ,,,in the mean time I guess ill hide my ivory gripped 1911,s I had custom made with ivory I purchased legally with all paperwork respectfully tc

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

I guess im stumped isn't it already the law that to sell ivory ,,it must be preban stuff that is already harvested and here stored legally , not new poached ivory ,that is illegal. so that would mean our government is telling us that they can tell us what and when and how we deal with our posessions. that were legally gained? I don't know that this was the country I bled for any more. I do care about this mammal that needs protecting ,but making it illegal to sell or transport ivory that is already in the system and legal has nothing to do with what is happening to them now. I don't know the answer, but I'll wager neither do our politicians, and going after law abiding citizens is not what they were sent to Washington to do! my two cents ,,,in the mean time I guess ill hide my ivory gripped 1911,s I had custom made with ivory I purchased legally with all paperwork respectfully tc

The whole point of this is it is impossible to tell pre ban from none pre ban and the supply of pre ban seems inexhaustible so this is the only way to control the problem. I'm not advocating the law just saying that's why they are doing this.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Just a heads up for those that work with Ivory,want to work with Ivory,plan on selling Ivory scaled Razors.
New federal laws will go into effect in the next 90 days banning interstate sales of all Ivory unless you have have a huge paper trail and costly permits to trade in Ivory.
You will not be able to sell leagally your vintage razors with Ivory scales,Just a heads Up.
U.S. to ban most commercial trade of elephant ivory - latimes.com

By the way, thanks for posting this and the heads up!

Pretty sure the extinction of man would be the best thing for the planet, not advocating that of course as I enjoy living, but its true....sadly.