Thread: Ivory

Originally Posted by Steel

Not a bad idea but how would they go about doing that do you think?

Dunno, they still harvest whales too... and think bear gall bladders are good for ya. They are what we were 100+ years ago when we were wiping Buffalo and anything else worth a Buck off the face of the earth, thankfully we learned conservation before we made a lot of other animals extinct, and a lot of those animals have made an amazing comeback. Just wish they'd do the same in those countries. Had conservation been practiced and controlled harvesting been practiced then we wouldn't have the issues, but greed almost always wins.

Education is key.

Just off the Phone with the DFG,the law will be the law in about 8 weeks and they will enforce it.
You can own all the Ivory you want but without proper documentation (which I have) you cannot sell it.

Wouldn't a razor in ivory scales, from a company that has been out of business for 150 years be documentation enough?

Originally Posted by sharptonn

I guess that is as good an excuse for being buried with them as any! Wait till they dig me up someday! They will think I am a King!

I thought your wife is gonna stuff you like Trigger.
Keep you on the front porch to scare away burglars



You would scare me for sure. Har!!!

Originally Posted by Tarkus

I thought your wife is gonna stuff you like Trigger.
Keep you on the front porch to scare away burglars?

You would scare me for sure. Har!!!

Nooooooo, but come to think of it, I am down for cremation! SALE! 8 weeks ONLY! HAR!

I'm not sure the govt is trying to demonise ivory, though I suppose the end result looks the same.

The way I see it is poaching of illegal ivory is a two-sided equation which, for lack of better terms, you'd call supply and demand. Govts like the US can't do a tonne about the supply bit (apart from maybe sanctions on countries where the poaching occurs, or giving money to those countries for better enforcement or whatever).

So that means cracking down on the demand side. The bigger, non-domestic, picture is that bans like this place pressure on countries like Japan and China by just being in existence. Look at how the general whaling laws have curtailed (some of) Japan's activities in the Southern oceans - they've been forced to make up some crap about "scientific research" in order to hunt. Yes, it is a pita for law-abiding people like pixel who works with the legal stuff, or the rest of us who own a one or two pre-ban pieces, but we are each individually part of the whole. If it wasn't for hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of individual Chinese and Japanese demanding ivory, do you really think it would be such a big market? Aggregation often blinds us to individual responsibility.

Be that as it may, personally I feel the most effective way to stop the illegal trade in ivory is on the supply side. And that means money and international help to those countries struggling to control poaching. Satellite tracking, more people on the ground, policing corruption, education campaigns. But money for international help is limited (and seems to be reducing) and is usually and most commonly given for human things, so we're left with demand-side domestic laws.

James.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Nooooooo, but come to think of it, I am down for cremation! SALE! 8 weeks ONLY! HAR!

Is that whats known as a "Fire Sale"???
Har!!!

Originally Posted by DennisBarberShop

Wouldn't a razor in ivory scales, from a company that has been out of business for 150 years be documentation enough?

Nope, I asked about some Netsuki I bought in Japan in the 60s,well over 100 yrs old,was told, the letter of the law will be,you have to have proof,written, documented proof that the ivory is legal,the burden of proof is now on you.

Originally Posted by DennisBarberShop

Wouldn't a razor in ivory scales, from a company that has been out of business for 150 years be documentation enough?

If you could prove the ivory was as old as the razor (or at least old enough to be deemed vintage), you'd think that should be OK.

The problem is the possibility of a rescale with ban-ivory - I'm sure unscrupulous people could try to fake aged ivory somehow. Not being in any way an expert on it that could be a completely ludicrous suggestion - but I do know, for example, that there is quite a well-established and sophisticated trade in fake antique furniture, so why not fake antique ivory?

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

If you could prove the ivory was as old as the razor (or at least old enough to be deemed vintage), you'd think that should be OK.

The problem is the possibility of a rescale with ban-ivory - I'm sure unscrupulous people could try to fake aged ivory somehow. Not being in any way an expert on it that could be a completely ludicrous suggestion - but I do know, for example, that there is quite a well-established and sophisticated trade in fake antique furniture, so why not fake antique ivory?

James.

I can make any Ivory look like it is 400 yrs old.is not a visual. is a paper trail they require.Our at the very least the stampings all legal tusks have.
Serial #, date of harvest, country of origen.Export stamps.this all burned into legal tusks.