Thread: saber rattling

We live in a changing world and the policies of old don't work any more. I don't care who the pres is be it democrat or republican the result will only be what we have now or worse. Couple that with the polarization in the country and the Congress and it's the perfect recipe for the current situation.

All the typical right wing posturing against Obama doesn't help. In my book the pres has a solution to an issue and implements it and it fails he owns it. When Congress won't allow him to do his job they own the issues(s).

Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this country who have drunk the cool aid and again and again vote against their own interests to act like a bot army for the rich and powerful.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

We live in a changing world and the policies of old don't work any more. I don't care who the pres is be it democrat or republican the result will only be what we have now or worse. Couple that with the polarization in the country and the Congress and it's the perfect recipe for the current situation.

All the typical right wing posturing against Obama doesn't help. In my book the pres has a solution to an issue and implements it and it fails he owns it. When Congress won't allow him to do his job they own the issues(s).

Unfortunately we have a lot of people in this country who have drunk the cool aid and again and again vote against their own interests to act like a bot army for the rich and powerful.

And when Obama controlled the House, Senate and the White house, what did he accomplish? Your "Right Wing" comment is rubbish IMO.

And Obama doesn't have a "bot army" who voted for free phones and fake healthcare too, right?

Frank

Originally Posted by Lakebound

And when Obama controlled the House, Senate and the White house, what did he accomplish? Your "Right Wing" comment is rubbish IMO.

And Obama doesn't have a "bot army" who voted for free phones and fake healthcare too, right?

Frank

I think the second part of TARP, economic stimulus, Dodd-Frank, Obamacare, and the gasoline efficiency standards for motor vehicles are the biggest items.

The free Obamaphones is just poor information turned into propaganda for specific segment.

Originally Posted by gugi

I think the second part of TARP, economic stimulus, Dodd-Frank, Obamacare, and the gasoline efficiency standards for motor vehicles are the biggest items.

The free Obamaphones is just poor information turned into propaganda for specific segment.

Care to cite a reference for us? Where I work, we monitor the phone calls of our "residents". I stopped counting the number of family members on the streets that brag about how many "free Obama phones" (their words, not mine) that they have. Some of the phones have yet to be activated.

So, while you may think that the free phones are "poor information" turned propaganda, you're paying for them with taxes that have been levied against you and against me in various ways to include surcharges on your cellular bill.

Frank

Obama Phone - Free Phones for People on Welfare? - Urban Legends

snopes.com: Free 'ObamaPhones' for Welfare Recipients

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enr...c/NewHome.html

Originally Posted by Lakebound

Care to cite a reference for us?

I was, but somebody else was faster than me. But here's how you could've gotten started on your own Let me google that for you

Originally Posted by Lakebound

So, while you may think that the free phones are "poor information" turned propaganda, you're paying for them with taxes that have been levied against you and against me in various ways to include surcharges on your cellular bill.

It is always better to make statements based on facts than on speculation or random people's words. I have looked into those programs, their origin and their funding, but as far as I can tell you haven't. Take a look at the links in the previous post, they should help.

Originally Posted by gugi

I was, but somebody else was faster than me. But here's how you could've gotten started on your own Let me google that for you


It is always better to make statements based on facts than on speculation or random people's words. I have looked into those programs, their origin and their funding, but as far as I can tell you haven't. Take a look at the links in the previous post, they should help.

I'll take my real world experience of actually listening to real phone calls over "snopes" anyday. I don't speculate about the conversations that I actually listen to. As to the "links", there are joke, it seems like those on the left always have their bookmarked talking points ready to go when someone challenges the welfare state and her subjects.

Makes no difference to me if people in this Country want to ignore what I have actually heard with my own ears. Google it, Snopes it, whatever you like. Bottom line is that there are "free phones" that the Federal Government is subsidizing whether you want to admit it or not.

Frank

Hey it's a free country. You can believe anything you want. I only thought you may like to know what the truth is, but that is not a requirement.

I answered your request for references, and would greatly appreciate if in the future you do not waste my time asking for information that you have already decided to dismiss without giving it any consideration. My time is valuable and you can waste it only so many times before I start ignoring you completely. I do not like to ignore people and would prefer they do not force me to.

Originally Posted by Lakebound

And when Obama controlled the House, Senate and the White house, what did he accomplish? Your "Right Wing" comment is rubbish IMO.

And Obama doesn't have a "bot army" who voted for free phones and fake healthcare too, right?

Frank

That's a great point Frank. One my wife and I were discussing just this morning. We concluded that he was so green he actually thought he do it with consensus... Lol!! Which really shows what a rookie he was. He should have seen the writing on the wall when he couldn't get Guantanamo bay closed down.

Heck even the NRA buying the vote shocked the man lol!!

Anyway, with any president, you have to account for personality. Assigning malice is dangerous when assessing any action or comment rationally.

I think he also may have wanted to be that post-partisan president of red-white-and-blue america from his candidate speeches. He completely dismantled the powerful propaganda machine he had for the campaign, which personally surprised me a lot, as people tend to not simply give up that sort of power.

He wasn't completely naive about politics because most of his significant appointments were from the old highly experienced pool with serious ties to Clinton.

It's also a lot of fun to dig the old threads from 2008 and see what people were posting back then and compare to how things happened