Thread: The world I would love to live in.

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

The world I would love to live in would be caring and loving. We would care for each other and the environment. We would value the environment over money. We would not value possessions over people. We would not judge others by what they had, but who they were. We would not discriminate, we would not pre-judge. We would not punish people for being ill. Be would show empathy to others and we would value the act of love over any other act. We would not be religious but we would be spiritual. The people we elected to govern us would actually be working for us and they would value us. We would not exploit other people, other environments or other creatures for our own gains. We would value our bodies and treat them well. We would not know the words 'work' or 'clock'.

Of course everyone is free to talk about whatever they like (within the rules of the forum) but given the title of the original post, I wonder why there are now pages and pages on a debate on social security benefits? Quite odd in a way, to me...

It's easy to write up an imaginary Utopia - but when you talk about the real world where somebody's 'hard earned wage' is another person's tax, or one person's freedom is another's sign of the doomsday; well then things are not so simple, but to me are more interesting.

One example - somebody posted earlier they'd prefer a world without homosexuality - that's been the general preference for thousands of years and despite all attempts to exterminate it it's still here. So, you can either imagine a rosy picture where homosexuality simply doesn't exist, or you can complain how horrible it is that it exists, but there is absolutely nothing you can do to make it go away.

So, how do you reconcile the imperfect reality with the ideal - one person posted about loving in an abstract sense without having any contact with those they love.

Originally Posted by gugi

It's easy to write up an imaginary Utopia - but when you talk about the real world where somebody's 'hard earned wage' is another person's tax, or one person's freedom is another's sign of the doomsday; well then things are not so simple, but to me are more interesting.

One example - somebody posted earlier they'd prefer a world without homosexuality - that's been the general preference for thousands of years and despite all attempts to exterminate it it's still here. So, you can either imagine a rosy picture where homosexuality simply doesn't exist, or you can complain how horrible it is that it exists, but there is absolutely nothing you can do to make it go away.

So, how do you reconcile the imperfect reality with the ideal - one person posted about loving in an abstract sense without having any contact with those they love.

Both would be me. And Ill answer that question.

You live your life to the best of your abilities and accept that there are things we cannot control and truthfully have no right to control.
And we go about our business and lead the lives we choose.

Why does everyone get so bent out of shape when someone expresses a distaste for homosexuality as if the world HAS to bow their will to the life choices of a specific demographic?

I said a lot and that's a sticking point.

Homosexuality has been the general prefferance?? pls explaine Gugi

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Homosexuality has been the general prefferance?? pls explaine Gugi

He was implying it been the general preference for their not to be homosexuality.

Originally Posted by ncraigtrn

He was implying it been the general preference for their not to be homosexuality.

my bad,Sorry,your correct

Originally Posted by gugi

One example - somebody posted earlier they'd prefer a world without homosexuality - that's been the general preference for thousands of years and despite all attempts to exterminate it it's still here. So, you can either imagine a rosy picture where homosexuality simply doesn't exist, or you can complain how horrible it is that it exists, but there is absolutely nothing you can do to make it go away.

If everyone becomes a homosexual then it will go away. There are some things that legislation cannot achieve and procreation is one of them. Still takes a man and a women whether they like it or not.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

If everyone becomes a homosexual then it will go away. There are some things that legislation cannot achieve and procreation is one of them. Still takes a man and a women whether they like it or not.

There was a 18th century Christian sect that started in England and then became somewhat big in America - they preached and adhered quite strictly to celibacy. It only took few generations and they were no more.

Homosexuality was widely practiced in the ancient world alongside with heterosexuality - that didn't make those civilizations or cultures extinct in any way. It was heavily persecuted in the western world for a couple of thousand years - that didn't make it go away either.

Same as prostitution (heterosexual and homosexual) - in the western world it's been largely considered immoral, and has been illegal more often than not, yet that hasn't made any difference.

It's anybody's right to estrange from their children over disapproval of how they live, but I don't see how that makes for a better world. It makes for pockets of self-righteousness but that seems pretty far from the "drinking and hanging out with the lowlife of the day" type of love from the second part of the Bible.

Originally Posted by gugi

There was a 18th century Christian sect that started in England and then became somewhat big in America - they preached and adhered quite strictly to celibacy. It only took few generations and they were no more.

Homosexuality was widely practiced in the ancient world alongside with heterosexuality - that didn't make those civilizations or cultures extinct in any way. It was persecuted in the western world for a couple of thousand years - that didn't make it go away either.

Same as prostitution (heterosexual and homosexual) - in the western world it's been largely considered immoral, and has been illegal more often than not, yet that hasn't made any difference.

It's anybody's right to estrange from their children over disapproval of how they live, but I don't see how that makes for a better world. It makes for pockets of self-righteousness but that seems pretty far from the "drinking and hanging out with the lowlife of the day" type of love from the second part of the Bible.

Oooooh let's not make this about religion please.

But while we are on the topic.

The hanging with lowlifes and drinking second half is also where the after the first and second admonishing not to even break bread with that person anymore. So if you so choose to challenge someone on their religious ideals might not hurt to do a fact check.

Truthfully gugi your a mod If your word is more perfect than mine and you feel you have a greater right to your opinion and that its one that should be bowed to then by all means delete my posts and remove my account because I'm the type that will just keep escalating.


Seeing as to how this was the world we (each individually) want to live in why don't you just say you wish you lived in a world where you rule supreme and your judgment is the very word of god.

Originally Posted by ncraigtrn

The hanging with lowlifes and drinking second half is also where the after the first and second admonishing not to even break bread with that person anymore. So if you so choose to challenge someone on their religious ideals might not hurt to do a fact check.

May be I did get my facts wrong, but in my defense the story where Jesus tells the hooker to go away because this was her third warning doesn't seem to get the same amount of airtime as the others. So, it's an easy one to miss.

Originally Posted by ncraigtrn

Truthfully gugi your a mod If your word is more perfect than mine and you feel you have a greater right to your opinion and that its one that should be bowed to then by all means delete my posts and remove my account because I'm the type that will just keep escalating.


Seeing as to how this was the world we (each individually) want to live in why don't you just say you wish you lived in a world where you rule supreme and your judgment is the very word of god.

Why? My word isn't more perfect than yours, you can have any opinion, but just a list of different opinions is not at all interesting to me. A lot more interesting is why people have those opinions and if they feel a little bit odd about having them. That's how religion got involved - it seems to be what your opinion is based on, so I pointed out that you could base the exact opposite opinion in the same religious argument. Isn't that interesting?

The only post you had deleted was for using profanity, if you'd skipped that f-bomb it'd still be here.

Wow, didn't see this going on for nine pages when I wrote the original post. I don't picture a utopia at all. I picture a piece of land that I can make as close to MY utopia as I can. My neighbor can build MY living hell right next door cause it is HIS utopia past the property line. We will never agree on everything, so do what you want; if it doesn't harm others. You don't like homosexuality... don't be a homosexual, but don't say you can't marry or have the same rights as me. Either it is a right for everyone or it is not a right at all. Drugs, drinking and lowlifing... fine it's your life and as long as it doesn't affect me in a direct way; have at it. Religion... pick whatever you believe and pray sun up til sun down it's cool with me. Be free, be happy, and be good to your fellow man.

The problem with our government today, besides SS, is more than can be contained probably in the entirety of SRP. I am a fan of scratching most everything and try again at the founding documents knowing what we know now. And maybe a new amendment for wet shaving...