Thread: The world I would love to live in.

Originally Posted by gugi

...So, you can either imagine a rosy picture where homosexuality simply doesn't exist, or you can complain how horrible it is that it exists, but there is absolutely nothing you can do to make it go away...

Or you could not discriminate, maybe? Why are you posing only two options in regards to homosexuality, i.e. that it doesn't exist or where it's a problem that it does exist? Why not another option where it's not a 'problem' that it exists?

I do, realise, Ivan, mate, that getting into a debate with you is fraught with danger, you're a very wise fellow, sir, and I'm sure I'll be shown up to be just silly, which is actually quite OK with me.

[EDIT] I hasten to add I'm not suggesting you're discriminating, I'm using the word 'you' to mean 'one' and I realise that saying something is horrible does not mean that one would discriminate against people who might practice a 'horrible' act...

See, in my world I got rid of religion. I guess if I also did away with the government we'd have nothing to talk about for 9 pages...

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

See, in my world I got rid of religion. I guess if I also did away with the government we'd have nothing to talk about for 9 pages...

probably would end up evolving into a discussion about creating ways to keep people moral, and how to ensure that everything that needed to be done was done, or religion and politics if you like

Originally Posted by edhewitt

probably would end up evolving into a discussion about creating ways to keep people moral, and how to ensure that everything that needed to be done was done, or religion and politics if you like

What is 'moral'? I do love Plato's take on all this. Euthyphro is all about what 'pious' is. It's very funny. I find Plato to be extremely humorous, I think he was a great comedian. I love the end of Euthyphro when he (Euthyphro) says "Another time, Socrates; for I am in a hurry, and must go now".

So, so I don't get in to trouble "Another time, guys; for I am in a hurry, and must go now"...

Great discussion here indeed.. I'm staying out of this one however.. I'm far too opinionated on these sorts of topics!

Keep it going, its a fantastic night time read!

Parker

Originally Posted by parkerskouson

...Keep it going, its a fantastic night time read!

Parker

That made me chuckle!

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

Or you could not discriminate, maybe? Why are you posing only two options in regards to homosexuality, i.e. that it doesn't exist or where it's a problem that it does exist? Why not another option where it's not a 'problem' that it exists?

Only because that scenario is incompatible with the ideal world being one 'without homosexuality' - by definition that makes it a problem. It isn't about homosexuality - that was just an example (which I believe I explicitly said). The exact same pattern goes with any other matter that doesn't directly affect others, but they still consider it 'wrong'.

Personally I don't mind people doing anything that doesn't affect me. I however am very interested about things that do affect me and USA being a democracy the way people vote matters a great deal. And way too many people here vote based on 'values' (as opposed for example on 'self-interest') which means that why people prioritize in particular way is interesting to me. It doesn't change things in any way, but I like understanding things.

Originally Posted by gugi

Only because that scenario is incompatible with the ideal world being one 'without homosexuality' - by definition that makes it a problem. It isn't about homosexuality - that was just an example (which I believe I explicitly said). The exact same pattern goes with any other matter that doesn't directly affect others, but they still consider it 'wrong'.

Personally I don't mind people doing anything that doesn't affect me. I however am very interested about things that do affect me and USA being a democracy the way people vote matters a great deal. And way too many people here vote based on 'values' (as opposed for example on 'self-interest') which means that why people prioritize in particular way is interesting to me. It doesn't change things in any way, but I like understanding things.

Yes, you're right, you did say it was an example. See? One post and you've made me feel silly, I don't know WHY I wade in to these things, I should be like Parker (who is also wise, way beyond his years) and just watch... and take bets on how many pages this goes for and how many people end up getting themselves banned...

I can't remember the last time anybody was banned for these conversation threads. In fact I checked the ban logs and there are only a dozen of bans over the past year almost all of them spammers, a few trolls (one on their 8th SRP account) and a couple of bad actors, one temporary ban to ensure they've got the message loud and clear. Also two lifted bans after we've thought some years in the wilderness have helped reform the members in question.
You know, late night is not a bad time to check such things.