Thread: The wanna bes

Originally Posted by RezDog

I find it rich when people in places that are countries of immigrants start spouting off about immigrants. When I heard people from England going off about immigrants, it made me think, well you guys colonized 1/3 of the world and now we are coming full circle. First second and third generation Canadians don't want any immigrants coming here. Post WW refugees came here by the ship load. Oh and don't try playing the Muslim card with me either. Have you seen the history of Christian religions? Very few of them don't have blood on their hands. Don't get me started on trade either. If you want to quit feeding IIS or ISL or whatever fundamentalist terrorist group how about quit buying OPEC oil, because that is where the fundamentalists get their money from. As for the refugees coming here we have a choice, extend a hand and try to save them from the madmen trying to either wipe them out, or convert them to their extremist thoughts, or leave to to either die or become the force that you fear in the first place.
Now, party politics.
Party politics have become like the Gangs of New York movie. This is not democracy. It is divisive politics. Divide and conquer and build your little empires and line your pockets with all the side deals you set up while in a position of authority. I say axe the parties. Two places on the ballets. One spot for the figure head of the country, the other for the district leader. Now cooperatively run the country and respresent the people who elected you, NOT YOUR PARTY. That would be real democracy!
Ok. My mini rant is over. Just my thoughts. I hope everyone has a lovely weekend.
If any feelings were hurt in the making of this post, I do apologize, I was just trying to vent off some alternate views on Canadian politics.

Holy cow Rez Dog! I love this. Can I copy and paste this to my Facebook? Well said. Good rant, if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Steel

Holy cow Rez Dog! I love this. Can I copy and paste this to my Facebook? Well said. Good rant, if you ask me.

My friend you can use those words all you want. They are simply my perspective on politics. If you share the same view then by all means use the words.

I think you make some good points. It can't be denied that the U.S. for example was formed over time largely from its rich history of immigration. It was, after all, the "Melting Pot". It would be unfortunate if the U.S. (or Canada) shut its borders and allowed no one else in. I don't think many are advocating for that though. I know I'm not. I'm also not advocating for open borders with no vetting.

The current immigration issues we have in the western world are different than in years past for a few reasons that aren't getting talked about either on purpose or out of ignorance or denial:

Past immigrants from many many different countries certainly had their own ideologies, and religious beliefs. However, they did not have an entirely separate system of laws that they adhered to after emigrating here. Irish Catholics didn't refuse to accept the rule of law in the U.S. after fleeing the potato famine and instead set up their own tribunals dictated by laws created by the Vatican. No such thing.

Sharia law is not compatible with constitutional law. It's not a "coexist" thing.

I absolutely believe that the large majority of the Muslim population are peace loving. We have been told that over and over after Islamic terror events that the Islamic terrorists are not representative of the majority of Muslims. I believe that. A bit odd and disheartening that there isn't more condemnation heard from the peaceful Muslim populations denouncing the behavior of the extremists in their religion, but that's perhaps another topic.

Peaceful majority or not, the clip below that I saw recently absolutely, positively knocks it out of the park in regard to the threat the western world is facing. I just don't think it can be denied.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I think you make some good points. It can't be denied that the U.S. for example was formed over time largely from its rich history of immigration. It was, after all, the "Melting Pot". It would be unfortunate if the U.S. (or Canada) shut its borders and allowed no one else in. I don't think many are advocating for that though. I know I'm not. I'm also not advocating for open borders with no vetting.

The current immigration issues we have in the western world are different than in years past for a few reasons that aren't getting talked about either on purpose or out of ignorance or denial:

Past immigrants from many many different countries certainly had their own ideologies, and religious beliefs. However, they did not have an entirely separate system of laws that they adhered to after emigrating here. Irish Catholics didn't refuse to accept the rule of law in the U.S. after fleeing the potato famine and instead set up their own tribunals dictated by laws created by the Vatican. No such thing.

Sharia law is not compatible with constitutional law. It's not a "coexist" thing.

I absolutely believe that the large majority of the Muslim population are peace loving. We have been told that over and over after Islamic terror events that the Islamic terrorists are not representative of the majority of Muslims. I believe that. A bit odd and disheartening that there isn't more condemnation heard from the peaceful Muslim populations denouncing the behavior of the extremists in their religion, but that's perhaps another topic.

Peaceful majority or not, the clip below that I saw recently absolutely, positively knocks it out of the park in regard to the threat the western world is facing. I just don't think it can be denied.

To begin with I am concerned about what is happening in Canada and not in the USA unless it effects/influences things up here. The USA is a different country from Canada. I just don't want to see what is happening in the USA take hold up here.

I like my country, for the most part, but would never have the unmitigated gall to tell anyone it is "the best" country in the world and all others should be like Canada. I'd just as soon keep what makes us different not better than anyone else. Yes, I'd like to see changes made but not necessarily in lock step with what is happening now in the USA.

Regarding the vetting of refugees we have taken in from the Mid East.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...screening.html

Nobody here in Canada is advocating not vetting refugees. It is for the most part a long drawn-out affair with many checks and balances as is sanely possible. No, we don't have an open boarder policy. We take carefully vetted refugees of our choice in numbers that we think we can handle logistically.

Criminal law and Civil Law is based on English Common Law in Canada with the exception of the Province of Quebec where the Civil Law is based on the French Common Law. I doubt that will change and any moves to change it would not be very welcome.

Yes, the silent majority, be they Christian or Islamic, is what allows bad things to happen.

For sure the western world is under terrorist threat but lets not get hysterical about the threat and become irrationally fearful of it that we do useless counter productive things because of it.

Bob

I think that the fundamental extreme has killed more peace loving Muslims than any other event. It is true that the fundamentalists extreme threatens the west, and the rest of the world. At this point it would be naive to think there is no threat. There are two main groups that are a target of their hatred and bigotry, the modern or western society, and what they refer to as false Muslims. I would not venture a guess as to who they would like to eliminate the most. At this point Muslims make up 23% of the global population. Certainly the fundamental extremists are a very small percentage of that. I do not see the fundamentalist extremist any different than the neo nazi groups. The things they have in common are a tendency towards violence, bigotry and hatred of others, and they are no way representative of the larger group. What we need to do is decide how we can and should globally do to deal with such groups of people to midigate their hatred of others and stamp out their violent outbursts. It would be nice to believe we could eliminate all of them but like so many things, they seem to keep coming back. It is a global issue and I think it needs global discussion and action.

Why is it the right wing keeps coming back to this sharia law thing as if 90% of the Muslims in the U.S secretly meet and have tribunals and live according to it. It's just being used to stir up hate. Of course you will find a tiny percentage who believe in it no different than we have christian sects who would take the law into their own hands and do things their way if they could get away with it. Other religions have within their belief system various components that are in effect a sub legal system just that in most cases it's not followed or followed in bits and pieces.

The surge of populism is at least in part related to the fact that no one seems to yet be able to screen potential violent extremists from the majority of peaceful Muslims. Sadly, the majority of the peaceful Muslims ARE victims in that regard and ARE being penalized given there isn't a sound vetting process. Just to be clear, in that video, the speaker isn't saying the majority of peaceful Muslims are irrelevant in the sense that they're less than people, should be ignored, don't count, are worthless, etc. Not at all. She's saying that in the context of the fact that violent extremists (who in their case share the same religion) are as much of a potential threat as Nazism, Stalinism etc were to the world as all have an end goal of world domination and genocide.

When I said previously that immigrants from generations ago into the U.S. didn't follow their own laws and refuse to acknowledge the laws of the land, we did see religion influence the law of the land. Sodomy laws for example affecting both homosexuals and heterosexuals were put into place based on Christian theology. I'm assuming I'd hear a more or less resounding "boo hiss!" regarding those laws today? Muslim/Sharia law is based 100% on religious theology.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Why is it the right wing keeps coming back to this sharia law thing as if 90% of the Muslims in the U.S secretly meet and have tribunals and live according to it. It's just being used to stir up hate. Of course you will find a tiny percentage who believe in it no different than we have christian sects who would take the law into their own hands and do things their way if they could get away with it. Other religions have within their belief system various components that are in effect a sub legal system just that in most cases it's not followed or followed in bits and pieces.

You do have an interesting point. I agree it's not easy to tell which Muslims want Sharia as the law in the western world since not all Muslim women, for example, wear head and body coverings. At face value conducting polls would seem to be the easiest way to gauge among Muslims which ones believed in Sharia and which did not. There have been polls done. By Pew Research, for example. The potential wrinkle in such polls among Muslims that isn't found in other faiths or cultures is Taqiyya so it would be hard to say if the data in that regard is entirely truthful.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

You do have an interesting point. I agree it's not easy to tell which Muslims want Sharia as the law in the western world since not all Muslim women, for example, wear head and body coverings. At face value conducting polls would seem to be the easiest way to gauge among Muslims which ones believed in Sharia and which did not. There have been polls done. By Pew Research, for example. The potential wrinkle in such polls among Muslims that isn't found in other faiths or cultures is Taqiyya so it would be hard to say if the data in that regard is entirely truthful.

I'm not so sure. You have for instance ultra orthodox Jewish sects who live their lives via religious law and if a member doesn't agree they are cast out or shunned. In ancient times they would probably be stoned to death.

I'm not entirely sure about the Sharia, or Muslim religious law being all that relevant. There are a variety of groups that exist in western culture that have religious law indocrnated in their lives and manage to live with the western laws at the same time. In Canada we have Jews and Mormons, Huderites, Ducabores and the list goes on. All of these groups have to balance between what their religion accepts and what law accepts. There are very few issues of law that have come from these groups. I am not going to say their is no problems, but they are very limited, perhaps even more so than those of us that grew and live without religious laws. It simply means that people of fundamentalist faiths need to figure it out. I do t think that any of these groups have had much of a struggle, but perhaps, there are not many in my region, and as a result I only see what the media chooses to share.