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    An offspring of any sitting world leader would get secret service agents assigned no matter what the nature of the visit. In the long run a few agents would cost way less than a major international incident
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    Actually, from my experience, this is not by any means out of the ordinary.

    Prominent business people, who are potential targets of radical crime, are frequently quietly protected.

    Take for instance the number of people who despise the Cable Companies, the founder of Rogers Communications, Ted Rogers, was frequently threatened, seriously threatened, and I know for a fact, that in many instances this type of protection was called for - outside and above private security. And some of these people are whacko's...the cable went out in the 3rd period of the Leafs game, and someone is going to pay...really.

    In the case of our protection services, actively knowing a threat exists and failing to act or prepare is not appropriate.

    Additionally, permission to carry firearms, detain and arrest and lawfully investigate, as well as availability of resources in an emergency is not something available to the typical foreigner in Canada or possible with private security.

    Just my understanding...
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    As much as I really could care less about the Trumps, It is our duty to co-operate with the needs of the American government and their directives with regard to the family. We share common economic interests and as much security concerns. This is just business as usual. I don't want our dignitaries or their families entering the USA and having security issues either so this is to my mind just courtesy. We have our own crazies here but for the most part, I believe it's a LOT safer for them here than us there
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    Sounds like the business deal will also benefit Canada, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrank View Post
    Actually, from my experience, this is not by any means out of the ordinary.

    Prominent business people, who are potential targets of radical crime, are frequently quietly protected.

    Take for instance the number of people who despise the Cable Companies, the founder of Rogers Communications, Ted Rogers, was frequently threatened, seriously threatened, and I know for a fact, that in many instances this type of protection was called for - outside and above private security. And some of these people are whacko's...the cable went out in the 3rd period of the Leafs game, and someone is going to pay...really.

    In the case of our protection services, actively knowing a threat exists and failing to act or prepare is not appropriate.

    Additionally, permission to carry firearms, detain and arrest and lawfully investigate, as well as availability of resources in an emergency is not something available to the typical foreigner in Canada or possible with private security.

    Just my understanding...
    Good points, especially the last one although I don't think the US Secret Service will be unarmed.

    Would that same type of added protection be afforded the head of Rogers Communications outside of Canada?

    The circumstances riles me all the same regardless of our obligation to assist in ensuring everything possible is done to ensure a safe visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodb View Post
    An offspring of any sitting world leader would get secret service agents assigned no matter what the nature of the visit. In the long run a few agents would cost way less than a major international incident
    No arguing that at all. It is just the private for profit nature of the visit that rankles me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelbro View Post
    Sounds like the business deal will also benefit Canada, right?
    If Canada can add to its GDP even though I'd prefer to see Canadian ownership I cant see where it wouldn't be beneficial. I hear rumblings of some companies moving their headquarters to Canada so that is good as well. I wish that we could have maintained the automotive manufacturing we used to have. The big 3 are all but gone now. Toyota however is going strong here. I'm in favour of almost anything here that provides Canadians opportunity as long as we use our lands, forests and water responsibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcbladescar View Post
    If Canada can add to its GDP even though I'd prefer to see Canadian ownership I cant see where it wouldn't be beneficial. I hear rumblings of some companies moving their headquarters to Canada so that is good as well. I wish that we could have maintained the automotive manufacturing we used to have. The big 3 are all but gone now. Toyota however is going strong here. I'm in favour of almost anything here that provides Canadians opportunity as long as we use our lands, forests and water responsibly.
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    No foreign investment is not the problem with Vancouver's Trump Tower. The problem is illustrated by the objection to the Trump name by Premier of the Province of BC, the Mayor of Vancouver and the 50,000 people who signed a petition to have the Trump name removed all thinking the Trump name does not represent what Vancouver or the Province of BC stands for. A lot of people do not want to be associated with the Trump name and what it appears to stand for today. People I am sure like the tower and the economic benefits it brings just not the name Trump and what many feel it stands for today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_...er_(Vancouver)

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    I guess that's plain enough
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    The reality of the Trump Tower is most likely the old rule.

    80% of folks couldn't care less one way or the other about the Trump Tower, 10% love it and think it will be great for business, the other 10% hate it.

    It's the virtue signalling, out of touch BS artist politicians and press there that have decided to spin it that way.

    Remember the bad, evil Conservatives going to sell the repressive Saudi Regime $15 Billion USD worth of military equipment? That's right - $15 Billion USD of military hardware. Canada selling $15 Billion...huh..wow!!

    How the press slammed Harper and the Conservatives for doing the deal even though it was a windfall for many companies and workers? How the press vilified him, how the press had tears of righteous worship in their eyes when Justin said he would cancel the deal immediately upon taking office and putting his shirt back on?

    What happened.....

    Well, the Liberals let the deal go through, in fact Dion approved and stamped it without getting the export approval required, he expedited the deal, because, as Justin said, and the press agreed, it just made good economic sense and supported jobs. Oh the irony....

    The press and the MSM is full of shite...they spin faster and harder than my washing machine on spin cycle, there are no "journalists" anymore, just political opinion makers and pundits with their own agenda...I don't waste my time reading the crap anymore, and if I do, I always, always pretty much think 80% is pure BS.

    I think the Trump Tower is great, the one in Toronto is beautiful, drive by it everyday...have never seen a protestor outside it.

    Just my opinion...
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