Thread: Joe Arpaio

Let’s just have an educated, articulate exchange of ideas.

Originally Posted by JMS

You surprise me! pleasantly I might add!
I got a different sense from you reading other posts.

Well thank you I'm not really sure what I've posted that would cause that...not that I'm really bothered by it.

I tend to run the more classic conservative route (since conservative just means republican these days). I think jail should be punishment, not time out. I watched a show the other day that showed a jail system that was basically free tech school. These prisoners got to go to school for something like auto work, get their certifications, then reenter the workforce. The cost? A crime! We're talking drug dealers and assault criminals here.

Contrast that with the kid who just graduated high school, can't or won't go to college, but goes to tech school. He has to take out huge student loans at high interest rates, probably work a job or two while going to school, and struggle through it all.

I know which one I would want to hire.

Yes there is a lot like that. Just like you see in the movies as well, they can go there and learn to get their GED/Highschool diploma. That is BS..

If you think it should not be a time out, they should bring back the Zimbardo Experiment, now THAT was not a timeout.

Originally Posted by Quick Orange

Well thank you I'm not really sure what I've posted that would cause that...not that I'm really bothered by it.

I tend to run the more classic conservative route (since conservative just means republican these days). I think jail should be punishment, not time out. I watched a show the other day that showed a jail system that was basically free tech school. These prisoners got to go to school for something like auto work, get their certifications, then reenter the workforce. The cost? A crime! We're talking drug dealers and assault criminals here.

Contrast that with the kid who just graduated high school, can't or won't go to college, but goes to tech school. He has to take out huge student loans at high interest rates, probably work a job or two while going to school, and struggle through it all.

I know which one I would want to hire.

Originally Posted by mhailey

Let’s just have an educated, articulate exchange of ideas.

Exactly what I intended, sir. I wasn't trying to tell anyone their beliefs are wrong in any way and just couldn't understand some of the reasoning behind many of these decisions.

Mr Quick Orange, obviously everyone would hire the person who didn't have a record which is probably a disincentive for the inmate or ex-inmate to bother with the classes, especially if they have to pay for them in the outside world. The youngster may have financial support from their family, which the ex-inmate probably wouldn't. At least there may be some benefit from the inmate attending these classes. They may get a job and not reoffend which is better for everyone even though they may have started the classes to avoid work.

Wouldn't the classes be run alongside their normal work? I know very little about your prison system and you certainly get the impression that people can sit around all day. Mind you the press often gives that impression here but it's far from the truth.

Originally Posted by murph

I see they were parolees as well. I wonder how many 'tough' prisons they had already been in? Prison certainly didn't dissuade them, did it. They burned the place in an attempt to cover their tracks which could well have been partly due to their previous incarcaration.

I'm not aware of any tough prisons.

As a matter of fact many criminals with a prison sentence can't wait to get transferred from jail to prison.
It's nicer there.


As for your straw man about shooting Germans.......

I say if they committed a sufficiently heinous crime then why not?

Realistically, it costs something like 3 X as much to kill someone as it does to house them for life.

@Murph: I definitely see your point. That's the real issue: how do you strike a balance between punishment and trying to enable the criminal to enter the workforce? Should we even try? I lean toward more punishment than enabling, simply because the majority of people in the world aren't criminal and buck up and are responsible. If we coddle people and treat them like children, they'll continue. If they are faced with returning to working in a chain gang or doing what everyone else does, get a job, maybe they'll grow up a little.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

Realistically, it costs something like 3 X as much to kill someone as it does to house them for life.

I hear this but I don't believe that is even correct in the slightest.. say they get a general county burial, that is at most 5,000. With the cost of the injection in which ever way they do it, or hanging... (lol like that will be around again) say $500.
So to put a criminal down that 'deserves' it would be under 6 grand.

Now you can't say that heating, food, clothing, bathing, etc. is less than 6,000 for the life of the criminal.

Much of it stems from the fact that these guys can appeal for 10 - 20 years before being executed.

I read somewhere that in 1999 California spent 90 mil on cap pun for 18 people.

78 was spent on trials and other legal proceedings.

If capital punishment is going to be cost effective, the system needs to be streamlined.

We can't spend 20 years arguing with the convicts lawyer like so many children.


Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"
Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"Lawyer " He didn't do it !"
Court " Yes he did !"

BTW, the cost of housing for 40 years in FL is around $750,000

the cost of killing is around $2,500,000

and to think, I'd kill them for free

just like big orange bowling pins

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

BTW, the cost of housing for 40 years in FL is around $750,000

the cost of killing is around $2,500,000

and to think, I'd kill them for free

just gimme a minute to set up here

your ammo is expensive lol.
That just reminds me of the Chris Rock skit, where he is saying bullets should be like 1,000 dollars each.. Then there will be less crime on the streets with shootings. If you come up for a guy who has $15,000 worth of holes in him, then you KNOW that guy deserved it.