Thread: Grizzly bears in Ontario???

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The wolves are flourishing way past the numbers expected, and now have moved into WA OR and CO they are apex predators and way better at killing then the original subspecies

Typical - had to bring in Canadians to show how to do it right!

Originally Posted by Cangooner

Typical - had to bring in Canadians to show how to do it right!

Ohhhhhhh noooooooo

We have a healthy population of about 700 Wolves here in the Upper Peninsula.. Been quite a debate about whether they are helping stabilize or hurting the population of other animals.. As to the Grizzly in Northern Ontario.. Not a big surprise to me either.. I will say ive spent a lot of weeks in remote fly in camps through Ontario so have ran across many black bear around camp/on the cabin porch/ wolves/ moose etc and never thought we were in danger but if a Grizzly is scratching at the cabin door my heart is going to miss a beat or 3!!.. Just saying

TCM I can't find any info about your wolf population

I was under the impression yours were the native wolves and not "Introduced" I think that subspecies is called a "Minnesotan" wolf ???

Do you know ???

Hey Glen.. Im on the road but if i remember right they were all but gone by about 1960 everywhere in the state with the last documented pups about 5yrs prior.. But i do think you are correct in them being Native Grays as the sightings began in the late 60"s/rarly 70's and they have been protected since mid 60's... The population has grown to what it is now and they do have a small hunt i believe.. Not sure on what # the DNR would like them to be at.. Just google History of Upper Peninsula Wolves and the DNR website has an excellent informative write up..TCM

There is a "Great Lakes Wolf". Mostly in Canada though.

We have the "Mexican Grey Wolf" and they were the species native to this area and were reintroduced but in the end it doesn't matter because the ranchers still complain and the issues are the same as you have in the Northwest.

Right before we left CO we, but more the wife was involved with Sinapu and helping get the Mexican Grey wolves into the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo they were hoping to re-introduce them in Southern CO

It is my understanding that there have been sightings of the WY packs moving into Northern CO recently

The real flash point really isn't the ranchers so much as the decimation of the Ungulate herds, that will not sit well in CO which has the largest Elk herd in the Lower 48 or at least it did.. CO also just in the last 30 years re-established Moose into the Northern counties and Young Moose are a prime target for the larger Mackenzie wolves

We have noted a serious increase in smaller animals around us, we never even saw a rabbit until 5 years ago, now we are overrun, same with Turkey and Grouse
Deer is about the same, Elk is down, and Moose are way down for sightings.

We haven't heard Coyote howl in some time, they tend to move out when these wolves move in which accounts for the increase in smaller animals



Edit: I just found out my friend Scott is on Dish Channel 231 tonight talking about the Wolf Issue and his Documentaries see if you can catch it

Very interesting Glen.. Do you by chance now Isle Royal in Lake Superior?

Originally Posted by TCMichigander

Very interesting Glen.. Do you by chance now Isle Royal in Lake Superior?

I don't

It has been since I was a Toddler when I lived up in the UP I don't remember much of it...


Hmmmm I see

https://www.nps.gov/isro/learn/news/presskit.htm

Isle Royal rightfully Isle Royal National Park is an isolated island in Lake Superior that is about 15-20 miles off Thunder Bay lakeshore and maybe 50 miles or so from Michigan shore.. There has been a study going for about 60 years in regards to the single predator single prey with Wolves and Moose that live together on the island... It is a pretty large Island but there has been Wolves living with Moose sinice around 1900.. But each population will spike and fall opposite each other... If memory serves the moose population has been a few hundred to over 2000 with the Wolves up to maybe 60 down to around 10..