Thread: Grizzly bears in Ontario???

Well, turns out there may be a possibility.

https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-ne...ntario-1204439

Shocked to see that a Grizzly can have a range of 8000 square miles/12875 square kilometers.

Bob

I am not surprised. With habitat encroachment having been going on for so long, they have to find new ground somewhere. What surprises me that with both the polar and the grizzly having habitat issues is that they have created a new hybrid or cross between the two. Mating and having healthy off spring. What I have not heard is if the offspring are fertile or if they are barren. Interesting times.

That's fascinating of the breeding..
I'm gonna look that one up!
Coyotes have been breeding with wolves in the northern US and into Canada for a while now.. Probably male wolves finding females scarce..?
Their offspring are fertile and better adapted than either patents... lightweight enough for small prey, large enough to take down deer, and with hybrid vigor!
Interesting times.

Darwin, adapt or die out.

Bob

Hey

Come down here and take your Canadian wolves back with you

J/K sorta

If you look at the study they did with the reintroducing them in Yellowstone it is amazing how much healthier and diverse the park area became. It seems they were needed to balance out the herbivores. As the wolves flourished the elk population fell back, the deer population rose, the flora and fauna changed, and the river side meadows returned.

Originally Posted by RezDog

If you look at the study they did with the reintroducing them in Yellowstone it is amazing how much healthier and diverse the park area became. It seems they were needed to balance out the herbivores. As the wolves flourished the elk population fell back, the deer population rose, the flora and fauna changed, and the river side meadows returned.

I love ya Shaun but that article was a total fabrication so many keep referencing it too

One of my friends here in Sandpoint is a "Wolf Expert" who has done tons of documentaries about the ill advised Introduction (NOT Re-Introduction) of "Mackenzie River" wolves into Yellowstone ID MT and WY

There is quite a bit of info out there now

We are actually dealing with the Grizzlies and the Wolves here where I live

My closest neighbor caught this young Griz on his game cam a couple of years back, it is still in the area, we can always tell by the size of the stumps that are ripped up



I have a pic of a wolf sitting out in our front yard this past spring somplace on the puter, there were two I didn't see the second one until I chased them out

There is a lot of argument about the wolves, amongst the science types that is. We have done crazy damage meddling with the balance, and not just in Yellowstone. Often with far reaching effects and associations not often considered. Many of these effects take an extremely long periods of time to be seen. The area I live in they introduced trash pandas. They have no predators an amazing food supply and easy winters. Yes the bandits have flourished and the birds and small rodents and frogs have suffered. We really need to stop introducing and eliminating and allow nature to take its course.

With wolves things are a bit different. Wolves since the middle ages have been painted the boogeymen of the animal world. If someone's kids went out to play and came home late well it's the wolves who got them let's kill them all. They have been hunted to the brink of extinction. In most areas of Europe they are extinct.

People have been conditioned to be terrified of them.

We can't kill every species we view a danger though many would like to.

I can understand ranchers not being happy losing livestock to them but that's more a management issue.

It isn't about "Wolves" it is about the Introduction of a Non-Native Subspecies to the US where they never existed before

This was done for several reasons but now we are paying the price of not enough forethought


As to management,,, The agreement before ID accepted the introduction was that once the wolf population reached 200 wolves that limited hunting would be allowed
Of course, that was taken to court and the population way exceeded the 200 by more the 6x before hunting began
The Wolf groups tried to include the Introduced wolves under the Endangered Species Acts which was one of the reasons the Mackenzie subspecies was used so that it would not be protected

As you can see there is way more to the story

The wolves are flourishing way past the numbers expected, and now have moved into WA OR and CO they are apex predators and way better at killing then the original subspecies


We are also having a similar issue with the Griz in our area but that is totally caused by mismanagement and the over prosecution of laws.
There is actually talk of a hunting season for Griz in ID now