Thread: Finally rain

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

Glad you've gotten some Bob. I wish I could have sent you some of our residual. It's hard to think of it that way but forests aren't destroyed by fire they are maintained/renewed. It's actually good for forest but really bad for people.

Yup, forest fires do help renew the forests and in the case of Ontario not a lot of people had to be evacuated as the fires were for the most part away from heavily populated areas. The smoke from the fires was a problem for a lot of folks across North America though.

There really is no up side for the places that have been badly flooded and in some cases repeatedly this year around the world.

All these events have been of far greater magnitude than is normal too. Lets hope next year shows a return to normalcy.

Bob

It is too bad for all those people who have been adversely effected. My only point is that we think on human terms which is natural and understandable. Even the flooding has it's benefits for the planet. New Orleans is now below sea level because people stopped the annual flooding which redeposited soil and minerals which kept it at or above sea level. The Mississippi Delta has topsoil 50 feet deep because of flooding.
Still sucks for people though in the immediate.

No, people didn't stop the flooding around New Orleans. We don't have that ability. Parts of the city range from a foot above sea level to below sea level. Storms and sea level rise are what's doing it.


It's no different that Florida where the Everglades are slowly being reclaimed by the sea and will eventually be gone and if nothing is done probably all of the pan handle will disappear over the next hundred years or so.

Sorry but that's not true. The reason why they have the levee system is because of annual flooding from the Mississippi River. Look it up.

Edit: https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...rleans/552323/

And the reason why the Everglades are sinking and shrinking is because of people also from water drainage for municipal use. It has also caused salt water intrusion. There is a range war going on in the state over water rights. People in the south want to pipe down water from the north where I live and people in my area are saying over my rotting corpse. It has gotten very heated over the years. You already screwed up your part of the state now you want to screw up our part of the state also. I don't think so.

But, again. CAUSED BY MAN.

There are levee systems all over the place (meaning world). They hold back water and the landscapes haven changed. Many places depend on seasonal flooding to renew things but erosion takes away what mother nature produces. If what you say was true New Orleans would be sitting on a mountain from all the accumulation of stream deposits over millions of years.

Most of the Mississippi deposits have extended the delta into the Gulf of Mexico which has helped protect New Orleans and those are vanishing from rising sea level and more storms.

New Orleans never should have been built where it is and some day it will have to be abandoned unless they spend trillions to build a sea wall all around it.

Well I won't disagree with the last part of that. Man builds a lot of places they have no business building. But the assertion about.it being a mountain is ludicrous. It was once under water but the deposits made land there. Stopping the flow of the sediments and draining the water has made it sink a portion of the way to where it was which bears out my original point. No big deal for nature but a bitch for mankind.

The threat of rising sea levels associated with climate warming/change has had even the Pentagon planning for it going back at least a decade maybe longer. That is different from more frequent monsoon like rainfalls in areas that don't normally get that also due to changing weather patterns due to climate change.

In the US lucky low lying gulf coast areas get the double whamy of rising sea levels and more frequent and intense Atlantic hurricanes making landfall. It will get to the point where you can't cope with that.

Bob

Man is an adaptive animal. We cope with lots of different kinds of situations.

Climate is a fluid thing not static. We have been warming long before man was advanced enough to affect it. Plus we just had a minor ice age less than a thousand years ago. One major volcanic eruption and we go right back into a miniature ice age like the one after Krakatoa blew in the 13th and 15th centuries. Or maybe a major earthquake or a massive natural gas bubble popping from the ocean floor causes major pattern changes. Climate changes all the time in geologic terms. Man's timeline is just like dog years exponentially in comparison so it seems like it has been this way forever.

Yes, there will likely be massive casualties WHEN, not IF one of these events happens and probably other mass extinctions but mankind will most likely survive as long as the air is still breathable. It will probably be in more of a early man setting but survive none the less so keep those survival skills honed.

Yuppers, climate is always changing but it is the rate at which it is now changing that's the difference. Mankind, especially since the industrial revolution, is now the prime culprit in in the more rapid warming of the climate globally. Man has been such a influence that you have to retrieve metal from pre nuclear age shipwrecks to see what was normal background radiation should be.

Trying to survive a natural global cataclysmic event of which you have no control over is one thing but failing to try and do something to correct a situation you alone are creating is something else again. That is very coping technique.

Bob