Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by BobH

Then there are a lot of unintelligent people in many countries clambering for a no fly zone be established over Ukraine. Which is in effect a move to push Putin out of Ukraine by outside forces. This what average people are thinking not necessarily politicians.

Bob

Unfortunately most people around these days were not around during the Cuban Missile Crisis and have not lived through the "Cold War". To most this whole Nuclear thing is some foreign abstract concept. They have no comprehension what could happen if things go south. Very few folks living today could even begin to survive if they found themselves back in the mid 1800s.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Unfortunately most people around these days were not around during the Cuban Missile Crisis and have not lived through the "Cold War". To most this whole Nuclear thing is some foreign abstract concept. They have no comprehension what could happen if things go south. Very few folks living today could even begin to survive if they found themselves back in the mid 1800s.

Ain't that the truth. I remember during the Cuban Missile Crisis the air raid sirens going off and if you lived close enough to the school you were allowed to run home otherwise you got the chance to die with your buddies at school and not at home. You should have seen the strain my mother was under because she lived through the terror bombing of Germany during the war and my dad got to see it from our side too. Literally none of my parents generation are left and us boomers are dying off now too. To me, anyone who contemplates the possibility of the spectre of a nuclear war as part of a gamble is off their rocker.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

Ain't that the truth. I remember during the Cuban Missile Crisis the air raid sirens going off and if you lived close enough to the school you were allowed to run home otherwise you got the chance to die with your buddies at school and not at home. You should have seen the strain my mother was under because she lived through the terror bombing of Germany during the war and my dad got to see it from our side too. Literally none of my parents generation are left and us boomers are dying off now too. To me, anyone who contemplates the possibility of the spectre of a nuclear war as part of a gamble is off their rocker.

Bob

I do know about the Cuban Missile Crisis and I did live through the cold war. In fact i served in the British Army during some of it, so I am very well aware of the effects of a Nuclear strike, had it drummed into us so often and spent so many sessions in the gas chamber testing our noddy suits and respirators, learning how to eat and drink in the gas then clearing it out of our respirators again that we were fed up of training for it.

Although I understand exactly what would happen in a Nuclear war, both short and long term and even though it scares the crap out of me, I think that eventually someone has to draw a line in the sand.

There is every chance that if Putin isn't stopped now he will invade the next country, maybe Finland and simply threaten to fire nukes if we try to stop him because he knows we will be too scared to do anything about it. Russia is only 20 odd miles from Alaska remember, how long would it take him to get there and reclaim it but don't stop him because he might nuke us.

If we die we die, scary prospect but no more scary than it was for the hundreds of thousands that climbed those ladders at the sound of the whistle in WWI that understood that charging across no mans land meant a very good chance of dieing. But they did it anyway because they knew it was the right thing to do. I vote we go kick Putin out of Ukraine right now and let the chips fall where they may, we're gonna do it anyway, if not in Ukraine then maybe in Finland - maybe in ALASKA.

China wants to invade Taiwan so is watching carefully to see how the Ukraine response or non response plays out before they do it. If we don't do something about Ukraine now, every strong nation with eyes on their neighbors will see a green light to go for it and the world map will be redrawn, all because Putin waves his nuclear card and everyone is too scared of him to do anything.

You know I was watching something the other day,and it made it clear that the US would make Putin pooh himself easily, how many aircraft carriers does the US have, Putin has 3 from what I saw. Even if China joined in with Putin NATO would still rub Putin's nose in the dirt.

Next time Putin threatens us with nukes we should just say, please yourself, we have plenty too then see how the bully likes it.

My mum also lived through the blitz in England, our family is from Bournemouth on the south coast and when the bombers returned home from London they would empty any last bombs on Bournemouth before heading over the English Channel. My Nan stayed in the house that mum grew up in until she died and when I was a kid I used to love looking at the bulging area on the stairs where a bomb fell next door and damaged her house too.

Forgive the rant, maybe I'm a wardog but I get embarred when the only thing we will do is give Ukraine a some more weapons so our conscience is clear when they all die.

CNN last night, Biden sad that if Putin uses chemical weapons we would repond in kind, less than a minute later it was said that the US would never use chemical weapons against russian troops. What have i misunderstood, what does in kind mean.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Hmm, mumbles and idiot eh?

I guess when you have a party with zero accomplishments lead by a guy who makes fun of folks disabilities you just have to disrespect the other side and make fun of disabilities too.

Accomplishments ???

You mean like Mumbles announcing the accomplishment of up coming food shortages yesterday ???

It is interesting that Trump is living rent free in your head and that you didn't address the actual problem of Mumbles

ps Even your example of Trump, nobody cares even if he did make fun of the Reporter (Questionable), to bad so sad, he deserved everything he got...

pps; Is it even possible for you to show us the accomplishments that Biden has done since he has taken office without mentioning some OT Trump mostly BS oddity

Can you ??? Come on Man tell us all about how much better it is under Mumbles the Clown across the world and more importantly the USA

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Accomplishments ???

You mean like Mumbles announcing the accomplishment of up coming food shortages yesterday ???

Food shortage. Gas shortage. Labor shortage. "we have to sacrifice for democracy". Lol. Funny how the climate crowd hasn't chimed in on the plan to sell natural gas to Europe to lower their dependence on Russia. Hmmm sounds familiar. Like 2018. I forgot who said that and got laughed at by the media who assured us that we don't need fossil fuels anymore. And that oil will be as useful as whale oil. "It's coming". Lol. Yeah it's.coming but since we have already passed the doomsday threshold (400 ppm CO2) it doesn't matter according to them.

"Putin cannot remain in power!" Half hour later.... Did I say that? I meant blah blah blah. If he had half a brain he would be a half wit.

Originally Posted by Bill31521

"Putin cannot remain in power!" Half hour later.... Did I say that? I meant blah blah blah. If he had half a brain he would be a half wit.

Clean up on aisle Brandon, Clean Up on aisle Brandon

He has gone beyond incompetent straight to dangerous, smartest thing he did was choose Harris as VP, she is actually worse than he is

I swear to god the best of the west, is Johnson right now ..

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Clean up on aisle Brandon, Clean Up on aisle Brandon

He has gone beyond incompetent straight to dangerous, smartest thing he did was choose Harris as VP, she is actually worse than he is

I swear to god the best of the west, is Johnson right now ..

These two should get together

Originally Posted by Johntoad57

These two should get together

I know it is a rather scary thought he might be the best we have

Originally Posted by Bill31521

Food shortage. Gas shortage. Labor shortage. "we have to sacrifice for democracy". Lol. Funny how the climate crowd hasn't chimed in on the plan to sell natural gas to Europe to lower their dependence on Russia. Hmmm sounds familiar. Like 2018. I forgot who said that and got laughed at by the media who assured us that we don't need fossil fuels anymore. And that oil will be as useful as whale oil. "It's coming". Lol. Yeah it's.coming but since we have already passed the doomsday threshold (400 ppm CO2) it doesn't matter according to them.

All things the president no matter who it is or the party have any control over.

As far as what he did your right he did nothing except

Jobs: President Biden’s first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.

Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.

Unemployment Claims: The average number of Americans filing for unemployment has been near its lowest level since 1969. When the President took office, over 18 million were receiving unemployment benefits, today only 2 million are—also the biggest single year drop in history.

Economic Legislation Passed: Most significant by economic impact of any first-year president.

Child Poverty: Experts estimate the lowest child poverty rate ever in 2021.

Expanded Access to Health Care: Nearly 5 million Americans have newly gained health insurance coverage.

Reduced Hunger: The number of households reporting that they sometimes or often did not have enough food to eat dropped by 32%.

Judges Confirmed: More judges confirmed to lower federal courts than any president since President Kennedy.

Judges That Reflect Our Nation: More Black women appointed to the U.S. Court of Appeals than any president – even over 8 years – in history.

Cabinet: First majority non-white Cabinet in history, with most women in the Cabinet, including first woman Treasury Secretary, first LGBTQ+ and Native American Cabinet officials, and first woman Director of National Intelligence.

If he didn't have to deal with "the party of no" in the Senate much more would have passed.

What did trump do?

Cozy up to Putin, Try and destroy NATO, Cozy up to whats his name in N Korea, Whatever happened to infrastructure week, deny climate issues, deny needed military aid to what's his name oh yea Zelinski to shake him down for dirt on Biden. Yea he accomplished plenty.