Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Yea once the EMP goes off the unlucky ones will be the survivors. If you can live like it was 1850 then you're OK except for ruined water supplies and most game dying and nothing growing. Got a bunker with a years supply of provisions and enough firepower to deal with invaders? If you do good luck.

Estimates are under those circumstances in 1 year 90% of the U.S population will be dead.

You had better hope the other side does not think a nuclear war is survivable either. That was the logic, if you want to call it that, behind the theory of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. It sounds more professional than calling it a Mexican Stand Off.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

You had better hope the other side does not think a nuclear war is survivable either. That was the logic, if you want to call it that, behind the theory of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. It sounds more professional than calling it a Mexican Stand Off.

Bob

The problem is that's a dated view based on only a few powers with rational heads of state having nukes. If an outfit like N Korea decided to attack what can you possibly do to a country like that. They have no real infrastructure. The population is already starving and Rocketman will be safe somewhere. He has little to lose.

Originally Posted by STF

Respectfully Glen, I spent 5 years learning about this stuff and I can assure you that there is nowhere safe in the US or Canada, in fact there are very very few places in the entire world that are safe in the event of a nuclear conflict.

If in fact you are in a safe area which you're not, what will you eat when all crops are radioactive, all animals are dead of radiation sickness from either fallout or eating the radioactive grass etc. Cockroaches are immune to radioactivity so i suppose you could learn to like the taste of them. The sun is blocked out and there's a new ice age, hope you have a warm coat.

Where is it you are Idaho is it or Colarado, either way i hope your ranch is a safe haven and the ice age stops at your boundary fence with the sun shing directly at your house. Even if that ridiculous scenario happened, how many people will arrive at your door for your food and shelter, I hope you have been stockpiling ammo.

Their are people that mistakenly say that you could come out of your fallout shelter after 2 weeks - assuming your fallout shelter has air scrubbers or you gonna die from the fallout or suffocate if it's airtight. It may be true that fallout will stop coming down within 2 weeks but the ground that your walking on may be radioactive for thousands of years. Just as well it will be buried under the ice and glaciers of the new ice age eh.

The US is a primary target, forget the government targets, remember how many Nuclear Power Stations you have and they are all primary targets, same goes for Canada and many other countries.

It was you that actually recommended that I read Last Ship, I didn't learn too much but it was made clear that it was very difficult to find anywhere safe. I know it was fiction and some really important facts were overlooked but as far as finding somewhere safe goes it was pretty close and don't forget your other recommedation "One Minute After". A nuke doesn't have to be detonated above the atmospere to create an electromagnetic pulse, any nuke will do that - no power - no fire service, Ambulance, no cars, campfire on your front yard because your cooker does'nt work and you would be cooking whatever you can catch because your fridge is off, oh no that won't work because whatever you can catch and cook will be radio active.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Yea once the EMP goes off the unlucky ones will be the survivors. If you can live like it was 1850 then you're OK except for ruined water supplies and most game dying and nothing growing. Got a bunker with a years supply of provisions and enough firepower to deal with invaders? If you do good luck.

Estimates are under those circumstances in 1 year 90% of the U.S population will be dead.

Originally Posted by BobH

You had better hope the other side does not think a nuclear war is survivable either. That was the logic, if you want to call it that, behind the theory of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. It sounds more professional than calling it a Mexican Stand Off.

Bob

I am rather glad that so many feel that way

Less competition for limited resources

Respectfully 5 years is just not very long,

Like I said I don't care to discuss it or argue it, I don't honestly care what you think or believe.. you do you I'll do me if you don't mind


Back to Ukraine

Biden and his mumbles left a ton of clean up to do

The worst one was the one about Putin needing to be taken out of power, that and almost the same BS from Lindsey Graham is incredibly dangerous and stupid..
The statement about responding in kind to a Chem/Bio attack was almost as bad

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The problem is that's a dated view based on only a few powers with rational heads of state having nukes. If an outfit like N Korea decided to attack what can you possibly do to a country like that. They have no real infrastructure. The population is already starving and Rocketman will be safe somewhere. He has little to lose.

Yup, that is why I said it was the logic. Far too many mini players for than now.

Bob

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I am rather glad that so many feel that way

Less competition for limited resources

Respectfully 5 years is just not very long,

Like I said I don't care to discuss it or argue it, I don't honestly care what you think or believe.. you do you I'll do me if you don't mind


Back to Ukraine

Biden and his mumbles left a ton of clean up to do

The worst one was the one about Putin needing to be taken out of power, that and almost the same BS from Lindsey Graham is incredibly dangerous and stupid..
The statement about responding in kind to a Chem/Bio attack was almost as bad

Unfortunately, you can't escape the threat that NBCW is part and parcel of the possible outcomes in the war in Ukraine. You can't discuss one without the others.

Bob

i don't think Putin could be oused or replaced unless he actually dies of some illness or assisination because I seem to remember that he made himself President for life.

For what it’s worth:

Yea, it's been said many ways but it's true that old men send young people off to die in wars the old create. It's been that way since people lived in caves and threw rocks at passing hunting parties "encroaching" on "their" territory.

Originally Posted by JBHoren

We can talk talk talk about how the Russian military "sucks", but however much it does, it's (a) better trained than the Ukrainian forces; and (b) it greatly outnumbers the Ukrainian forces in manpower and materiel.

Today, it's too late for Zelensky, too late for Ukraine. Now all he gets to do is try to have some input into their terms of surrender.

It's a brave man that will predict the outcome of this war, but subsequent events have shown that the Russian forces have been weak in leadership, strategy and tactics.
The 331st Guards Parachute Regiment, supposedly one of Russia's most elite regiments, was sent packing minus their senior officers who were killed.
It's likely that Russia has already 'won' by killing Ukrainian civilians with missiles but so far their soldiers and airmen have been comprehensively outclassed militarily by the the Ukrainians. I'm not sure we will see Ukraine capitulate anytime soon.