Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by stoneandstrop

WOW, can of worms here!!

To think that the U.S. has the ability to add countries at will to join NATO is a joke.
Countries must WANT to join and are Unanimously voted in if it does happen at all.
If invading another county unprovoked to conquer the people and "aquire" the country is acceptable to anyone, I feel for you.
Going backwards is where this is headed for Russia. This will cost the people who live there and everyone else as well.
If anyone thinks Germany and France will not defend NATO countries think again.
Putin lies, cannot be trusted by anyone and China will watch as a precedent to what would happen if they decide to do the same.
Who will be the next if nothing is done.

I will freely admit that I don't know what I'm alking about.

I thought Ukrain was in NATO already, if that is the case why aren't the Nato countries already in Ukrain. I thought that was what NATO was all about, looking after each other.

Like I said, I don't know what I'm talking about probably.

I think the real danger here is Russia could launch crippling cyber attacks in the U.S and NATO countries which could bring them to their knees. That could be viewed as an act of war.

Things could deteriorate badly in Ukraine and casualties could start to pile up massively.

That's why this is a very dangerous game. Putin holds the key. Does he really have a plan here.

He refers to history and how Ukraine has been related to Russia thus giving him justifications.

Well, what if Mexico invaded Texas and New Mexico or Britain invaded Canada?

On the other hand what if Mexico signed a treaty with Russia and he put ICBMs 100 miles south of El Paso? Oh, wait we went through that with Cuba.

By the way I entitled this thread "The Ukraine" not referring to the country title but to the situation or crisis.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I think the real danger here is Russia could launch crippling cyber attacks in the U.S and NATO countries which could bring them to their knees. That could be viewed as an act of war.

Things could deteriorate badly in Ukraine and casualties could start to pile up massively.

That's why this is a very dangerous game. Putin holds the key. Does he really have a plan here.

He refers to history and how Ukraine has been related to Russia thus giving him justifications.

Well, what if Mexico invaded Texas and New Mexico or Britain invaded Canada?

On the other hand what if Mexico signed a treaty with Russia and he put ICBMs 100 miles south of El Paso? Oh, wait we went through that with Cuba.

By the way I entitled this thread "The Ukraine" not referring to the country title but to the situation or crisis.

Don't even joke about a war between Britain and Canada. I am English and also a Citizen of Canada,.

I would of course fight for Canada (probably), but against my family in England!!

Thanks Spendur, I doubt if I can ever sleep again.

Originally Posted by STF

Don't even joke about a war between Britain and Canada. I am English and also a Citizen of Canada,.

I would of course fight for Canada (probably), but against my family in England!!

Thanks Spendur, I doubt if I can ever sleep again.

Now you know how some Russians and Ukrainians are feeling right now. They are in that boat right now.

Bob

Yes, Putin knows Ukraine is not in NATO and is using that to his advantage. He knows full well NATO can't militarily counter him in Ukraine because the NATO charter only concerns NATO countries. The Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, are NATO members and if Putin were to attack anyone of them it would trigger a direct military response on Russia from NATO. I have no idea if Putin is nuts enough to do that and run a real risk of starting WWIII. Your guess is as good as mine or the next guys regarding that. Lets hope not anyway.

Bob

Originally Posted by STF

I will freely admit that I don't know what I'm alking about.

I thought Ukrain was in NATO already, if that is the case why aren't the Nato countries already in Ukrain. I thought that was what NATO was all about, looking after each other.

Like I said, I don't know what I'm talking about probably.

No they are not part.
The sole reason for the invasion is because they want to be part of NATO and Russia will not allow it - ever!
And yes, that is what NATO is about. Slogan - an attack on one is an attack on all.
The fear from the Baltic states is this will continue to them which NATO is already preparing for collectively.
It will be world war if Russia attempts to invade any of them.