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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    Defeatist or realist?

    If nuclear weapons didn't exist the world could march in and throw Russia out but that ain't gonna happen. The nuclear card changes everything. We are in uncharted territory here which is why everyone is walking on eggshells here.
    Yeah everyone except Putin.

    Sooner or later we have to act regardless of his threats, he can only hold the whole world's feet to the fire for so long before someone say's sod this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STF View Post
    Yeah everyone except Putin.

    Sooner or later we have to act regardless of his threats, he can only hold the whole world's feet to the fire for so long before someone say's sod this.
    So once again we come to the cost benefit equation.

    The question to ask yourself is how good a gambler are you? The stakes may be too high depending on the cost and benefit. If you loose you loose everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    So once again we come to the cost benefit equation.

    The question to ask yourself is how good a gambler are you? The stakes may be too high depending on the cost and benefit. If you loose you loose everything.
    I completely agree with you but, I think eventually we're going to have to call his bluff.

    He has already said that he sees the sanctions against Russia an act of war, if he threatens us all with a nuke unless we remove them are we just going to comply and let him off with everything. I would be surprised and what if he used biological or chemical weapons against the people of Ukraine, will we sit and complain that he's being awful or do something regardless of his threats.

    I think he's all mouth and he's going to push his luck by using threats as long as he can but sooner or later the west is going to take him behind the bike shed.

    Do you think that the SAS aren't already in Ukraine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by STF View Post
    I completely agree with you but, I think eventually we're going to have to call his bluff.

    He has already said that he sees the sanctions against Russia an act of war, if he threatens us all with a nuke unless we remove them are we just going to comply and let him off with everything. I would be surprised and what if he used biological or chemical weapons against the people of Ukraine, will we sit and complain that he's being awful or do something regardless of his threats.

    I think he's all mouth and he's going to push his luck by using threats as long as he can but sooner or later the west is going to take him behind the bike shed.

    Do you think that the SAS aren't already in Ukraine?
    Of course they are. Political enemies have been targeted for elimination. Plans are underway for "non standard" means or warfare. The worst is yet to come.
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    Thought this was a good article.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

    Anyone want to strap on their big boy pants and gamble the whole ball of wax?

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    Like they say "Talk is cheap".
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    There's always the outside chance that if the west does get into it with Russia, Putin won't press the button.

    Maybe he could have a WWIII without firing nukes.

    I was just thinking, Nukes have only ever been used in anger once, twice actually and it wasn't the Russians that did it.
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