Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by BobH

I stand corrected and duly chastised. Yes, there is a lot about the US that apparently, I cannot comprehend.

At least that is matched by your inability to comprehend things about Canada.

It has been a slice, not.

Bob

It isn't that you can't comprehend you just refuse to even attempt to look at other sources

Ground News is a Free News Aggregator, I use it so I can see all sides https://ground.news/

One thing I have learned and i don't much care if you don't believe

Those of us on the right have had to learn to search all sources to try and find the truth for YEARS, the MSM is very left leaning.


Those of you on the left have never had to, until now, you might figure it out, or you might just keep believing the lies, that is your choice. Your standard defense of "That source is Fringe Far-Right" has come to an end, it no longer works we know the lies now

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

It's because Trump is a wannabe strongman doing his best to actually become one...

The guy got shot, a MM away from blowing his brain out and his first thought was shuck off tbe secret service, stand up and let his supporters know he was alright then send up a battle cry. Now, I'm not a Trump toe sucker but I tend to think that proves him to be a wee bit more than a "wannabe."

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

The guy got shot, a MM away from blowing his brain out and his first thought was shuck off tbe secret service, stand up and let his supporters know he was alright then send up a battle cry. Now, I'm not a Trump toe sucker but I tend to think that proves him to be a wee bit more than a "wannabe."

You don't know how right you are. He's a strongman who wishes he had the power like his buddies in Hungary or Russia and all the other two bit countries in the world with tin plated bosses ruling.

Originally Posted by JBHoren

You're joking... right?

On the first, I wonder what you mean by "minimal interference". I say this, because the "Fickle Finger" has (minimally) touched such successful US companies as Standard Oil, American Tobacco, and AT&T (there have been more), forcing them to break-up/divest significant portions, in order to placate the power-hungry US Government. Equally heinous have been the constant efforts to prevent mergers of US corporations, many of which are, currently, in-the-offing.

On the second, I'm sure you're well-aware of the lack of (and lax) regulation of almost anything important by our elected representatives. What's more, there's little-if-any "representation" of their constituents by those representatives. Hell, Bob, Congressional Representative AOC rarely-if-ever visits the sections of NYC which she represents! (and she don't feel like the Lone Ranger)

Yea successful U.S Companies. Outfits that grow so big and so rich they stifle competition and control the market place. Consumers pay the price through the nose cause either you pay or go without.

This Govt of ours is controlled lock stock and barrel by these corporations and the ultra wealthy and the army of lobbyists who control "our" reps. You think they listen to the people? They are really "The deep state". Every time the GOP wants to cut the budget it's always the "people" who will suffer. They rant about fraud. When have you ever heard them even hint at all the corporate welfare and corporate fraud in this country. The answer is never. Just watch Trumps tax package. Just watch what it does to this country. There is only so much money in this country and more and more is going to these folks. When the country collapses they will be the first to get on their private jets with their bought passports and head for paradise.

You think all this divisiveness in this country just happened by itself. The ultra wealthy have been working on that for decades. It's divide and conquer. While we fight the seize control. Trump coming along was the best thing that ever happened for them.

Maybe some day the "people" will wake up and see what's happening.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Maybe some day the "people" will wake up and see what's happening.

we did the problem isn't "Us" you are still posting years old debunked disproved Media Drivel and you think WE need to wake up... That is hilarious

This is why you lost, this is why the DNC it heading downward past 20% approval ranking in the polls.. Keep it up PLEASE !!!

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Well at least Trump talked to Putin on the Phone today

I know he seems optimistic, me not so much, I thinks both countries want to keep fighting.

President Trump is way out of his depth.

To make the statement that the war would never have started if he had been President and that he could stop it in one day indicates just how little he understands about Putin's mindset.

The politicians in Western Europe shoved their collective heads in the sand when Putin invaded Crimea. President Trump is correct in saying that most of the nations making up NATO have not been paying their way.

The only way this will end is for one side or the other to achieve control of Ukraine. President Trump has spread a lot of disinformation about the strategic and tactical performance of Ukraine. Russian tactics and weaknesses have been exposed and exploited by Ukraine. Three years ago Putin thought he was going take control of Ukraine in a few days.

Instead of appeasing Putin, Trump needs to knock the European leaders' heads together, work out some kind of weapons and finance deal with Western Europe and Ukraine and impose massive sanctions on Russia. Then let Ukraine get the job done.

Remember the US didn't help Great Britain financially in WWII for nothing. We paid the last installment of our war debt to the US on 29 December 2006.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You don't know how right you are. He's a strongman who wishes he had the power like his buddies in Hungary or Russia and all the other two bit countries in the world with tin plated bosses ruling.

...and the captain of the football team is a jerk too right? Typical high school parking lot crowd jealous sour grape hatred.

Originally Posted by welshwizard

President Trump is way out of his depth.


The politicians in Western Europe shoved their collective heads in the sand when Putin invaded Crimea. President Trump is correct in saying that most of the nations making up NATO have not been paying their way.



Instead of appeasing Putin, Trump needs to knock the European leaders' heads together, work out some kind of weapons and finance deal with Western Europe and Ukraine and impose massive sanctions on Russia. Then let Ukraine get the job done.


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I posted earlier about a NATO country and their actual readiness
It just happened to be the UK, I wasn't looking, it just popped up that day on one of my feeds

That day it was estimated that the UK could field 25 Battle Ready Challenger II tanks another 50 within 60 days IIRC

Please tell me again what Western EU is going to do ???

You all are posting old outdated info, I for one can't take you seriously unless you at least TRY get better sources
There are several new articles about why the sanctions were not only a failure but actually were helping Russia. New sanctions will probably not have much effect either


The EU has had 3+ freaking years to get into gear, you haven't done so, only a very few countries have realized that Putin doesn't fear NATO
See above about Germany saying Trump is right about 5%

Please stop saying the EU is going to help when only 4 EU countries are above 3% the UK is barely above 2%

The threat of war is on YOUR doorstep and you still ain't getting ready, no wonder Putin isn't listening, that is on YOU not Trump

Trump warned NATO in 2017 to get it together...


ps: Why would you bring up the WWII debt ??? you take out a loan you pay right ???
You join NATO and agree to the cost you pay RIGHT ???
I am asking because it has been suggested here by a few that the US should just be the piggy bank you all can keep tapping

Originally Posted by welshwizard

President Trump is way out of his depth.

To make the statement that the war would never have started if he had been President and that he could stop it in one day indicates just how little he understands about Putin's mindset.


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And yet, as he said there were no new wars while he was president. You guys have got to learn that you can't just say it and it becomes true. ONCE AGAIN forget about the chatter and the media pulp and CHECK THE RECORD.

You know, I'm reminded of Bill Johnson the American Alpine skier who competed in the 1984 olympics in Sarajevo. I remember seeing him on TV saying something like "in the final round I'm going to be the one to watch as I will be the one to win it." All the European establishment was agast and offended. After all an American had never won gold on the giant downhill...but he did it. Was he an arrogant braggart? Sure he was. But that doesn't make him wrong. Just because you're brash doesn't mean you're wrong. Maybe it isn't nice and pisses people off but that still doesn't make you wrong.