Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by gssixgun

What was that ???

Cue the no "Widespread Voter Fraud" cliche'

https://apnews.com/article/texas-vot...a3b5ee7396ae0e

No system is 100% safe and secure. it's just the way it is. Actual voter fraud is like well into single digits.

Funny thing though is whenever you see stories about people indicted for voter fraud it's almost always Republicans.

Any story containing Ken Paxton is pretty much a fraud in and of itself especially considering he should have been lockup many times over for years now.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

No system is 100% safe and secure. it's just the way it is. Actual voter fraud is like well into single digits.

Funny thing though is whenever you see stories about people indicted for voter fraud it's almost always Republicans.

Any story containing Ken Paxton is pretty much a fraud in and of itself especially considering he should have been lockup many times over for years now.

I think you just proved Paul 100% right with his statement

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

"What is truth?" Pontius Pilate

Questioning the validity of the source is literally the oldest trick in the book.

You also just did EXACTLY what I said you would do
Dems following their playbooks as they are instructed

This is why you lost and have the lowest rating in the history of your party


Or it could be that you haven't mentioned a solution to the Ukraine Issue again, I guess you agree with Zolensky and Putin to keep the killing going..
You are good as long as the American Piggy Bank stays open right ??

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

No system is 100% safe and secure. it's just the way it is. Actual voter fraud is like well into single digits.

Funny thing though is whenever you see stories about people indicted for voter fraud it's almost always Republicans.

Any story containing Ken Paxton is pretty much a fraud in and of itself especially considering he should have been lockup many times over for years now.

You mean indictments based on investigations led by a corrupt FBI?

I do find it paradoxical that the same party that believes whole heartedly in the Russia collusion lawfare debaucle finds it preposterous that government officials could be guilty of trying to defraud voters then cover it up.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-...-2016-e341cd7d

Also somewhat amusing that they want to hang Trump but give the clintons a pass. (I better not say that too loud. I might suddenly have a heart attack or decide out of the blue to commit suicide.)

Realistically speaking this war started in 2014

Not one US administration tried for peace until 2025 included Trump 45

The US taxpayer has has paid between $183- $300 Billion depending on who you believe in that time

To put that into perspective
The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) is the most expensive warship ever built, with a price tag of $13.3 billion
The F-35 Joint Program Office has agreed in principal to pay up to $11.8 billion for the next 145 F-35s from manufacturer Lockheed Martin
The Air Force expects to spend close to $20 billion on producing the B-21 Raider through fiscal 2027, the actual number is secret
Columbia Class "Boomers" Bloomberg reported that General Dynamics Corp. and Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII) were charged with designing and constructing the 12-boat class, a roughly $130 billion program

Enough

Yeah, time to stick a fork in it.

My party?

I think I've said this before and you didn't believe me then but I'll repeat it now I am not a democrat. Purely Independent. I vote for whoever I think will do the job regardless of party.

I think history has shown over and over again when you appease a strongman he becomes bolder. In the case of Russia history also shows when you let them bluster their way and find no resistance they continue their inevitable march. When they meet strong resistance they fold. Check your history books.

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

Yeah, time to stick a fork in it.

Now here is the voice of logic that speaks volumes!

We've done a lot of arm chair generaling here and mainly a lot of muck slinging which is always good fun. I guess maybe this isn't all about Ukraine but also about some theoretically unfinished business that has been gurgling behind the scenes. If that's the case I hope we have all gotten it out of our systems.
But in my mind, strictly talking about "the Ukraine situation," it's not really that complicated. Cut off the money and they are going to stop the fighting, if for no other reason than that they run out of bullets.
You can't shoot at someone with an unloaded gun. I suppose they could run out onto the battle field with spears and swords like they did in the old movies.
But if this really is about resources and about modern day takeover of territory and strategic ballistic or even short range missile weaponary then I don't see that as a real alternative.
It's called guerrilla warfare not gorilla warfare. Resources are key. Without them, you're just some joker standing there with nothing but you know what in his hand. That's no way to fight.

Sounds real simple, doesn't it?

Of course, I think we all know, if it's so simple, why it hasn't happened already.

War is an investment in power. Because if you have power, you don't need money. The power brokers of the world are busy keeping us throwing muck at each other in a, "he went that way," effort to keep their cash cows going.

What can we do about it? Well, pay attention and participate in the conversation for one thing. It's easy to say, "I don't like politics because it's just a bunch of people arguing and it makes me uptight," and so then the power brokers win. But really it's the civic duty of every citizen to participate. Past that pay attention to who you vote for and back the guy the in office now. But make sure he's doing his job like he's supposed to.

You over look the inconvenient fact Russia invaded a sovereign country. You can point fingers and say well it's Biden's fault or Obama's fault because they did nothing about Crimea though that was the start of sanctions against Russia. However that gets more complicated because of the Russia aligned President of Ukraine at the time and the history surrounding Crimea.

You can use all kinds of excuses to give Putin the pass but the bottom line is there is a war going on and instability in the region. The big question is if Ukraine falls what does Putin do next. If you take the position it ain't our problem and we've spent too much there already then you be shooting craps. If you win then you get to tell us all off but if you be wrong it might be your children or grandchildren who might be off to fight another war and suffer to save some money.

History always repeats itself. After WW1 Germany was only allowed a small self defense force and the Europeans stuck their heads in the sand and allowed Germany to rearm and then appease Hitler. You know the result. As they say "Beware the ides of march".