Thread: More global warming shown to be false!

Originally Posted by Wildtim

(yes, I am including McCain in my definition of "left")

You and just about every other conservative!

I haven't read the article yet, but here in my neck of the woods we've had almost solid winter weather since winter started. Typically it's at least in the 70's this time of year, but not now I guess. If this is global warming, you could've fooled me.

I don't particuallary care whether global warming is a human phenomenon or a natural occurace, I beleive that it is happening. I don't see anything wrong with people who are willing to reduce their impact on the earth, including shaving with a straight to reduce the plastic consumption including the reduction of pre-fab mach blades.

The figtht over whether it is happening or not to me is just politics, and I don't really care what any of them have to say. For me, it is a caring for the earth no mater who is "in charge".

Just like a dog doesn't shit in his pen unless given no other choice. I choose to not shit all over my earth.

This once again highlights to me the problem with the "global warming" issue. Even if it were true that Robins have never been seen in Inuit territories until recently, it does not logically follow that this is either directly or indirectly attributable to "global warming". And, as it stands, it most certainly does not provide any evidence of usable quality in a statistical sense.

Anecdotal evidence and observational studies are good for helping develop a theory. Controlled experimentation is good for testing a theory. I see a lot of the former in the global warming debate, but I've yet to see much of the latter.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not anti-global warming. If you show me quality data verifying the theory, I'll believe it. I also recycle, turn off my lights, use fluorescent bulbs, etc. etc. because I can see the benefit of it. But what I will not do is accept a theory as fact without the proper evidence.

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

This once again highlights to me the problem with the "global warming" issue. Even if it were true that Robins have never been seen in Inuit territories until recently, it does not logically follow that this is either directly or indirectly attributable to "global warming". And, as it stands, it most certainly does not provide any evidence of usable quality in a statistical sense.

Anecdotal evidence and observational studies are good for helping develop a theory. Controlled experimentation is good for testing a theory. I see a lot of the former in the global warming debate, but I've yet to see much of the latter.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not anti-global warming. If you show me quality data verifying the theory, I'll believe it. I also recycle, turn off my lights, use fluorescent bulbs, etc. etc. because I can see the benefit of it. But what I will not do is accept a theory as fact without the proper evidence.

James.

These are the kinds of answers I would hope to hear from everyone!
Thanks James!!

Originally Posted by JMS

These are the kinds of answers I would hope to hear from everyone!
Thanks James!!

In case anyone missed my point, what I like about this post is that it is thoughtful and has considered the question thoroughly...not a lot of emotion!

From the Telegraph (UK paper)


"George Bush's top scientific advisor has delivered the strongest statement yet from within the US administration that greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activity are to blame for climate change.
Professor John Marburger said it was more than 90 per cent likely that mankind was causing global warming and that the earth may become "unlivable" without reductions in CO2 output.
"I think there is widespread agreement on certain basics, and one of the most important is that we are producing far more CO2 from fossil fuels than we ought to be," he told the BBC.
"And it's going to lead to trouble unless we can begin to reduce the amount of fossil fuels we are burning and using in our economies."
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President Bush has invited world leaders to Washington later this month to discuss climate change, and the United Nations will also debate the subject.
Mr Bush has so far admitted that human activity may be a contributory factor to climate change but refused to sign the Kyoto protocol that set targets for limiting emissions.


Prof Marburger's views are in line with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body set up by the UN to review scientific research around the world."



If the Bush Administration says it, that settles it for me!

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

From the Telegraph (UK paper)


"George Bush's top scientific advisor has delivered the strongest statement yet from within the US administration that greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activity are to blame for climate change.
Professor John Marburger said it was more than 90 per cent likely that mankind was causing global warming and that the earth may become "unlivable" without reductions in CO2 output.
"I think there is widespread agreement on certain basics, and one of the most important is that we are producing far more CO2 from fossil fuels than we ought to be," he told the BBC.
"And it's going to lead to trouble unless we can begin to reduce the amount of fossil fuels we are burning and using in our economies."
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President Bush has invited world leaders to Washington later this month to discuss climate change, and the United Nations will also debate the subject.
Mr Bush has so far admitted that human activity may be a contributory factor to climate change but refused to sign the Kyoto protocol that set targets for limiting emissions.


Prof Marburger's views are in line with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body set up by the UN to review scientific research around the world."



If the Bush Administration says it, that settles it for me!

All governments stand to make billions upon billions on the new taxes they can levy against their citizens based on global warming, so this information is suspect!

Right.
I wouldn't believe anything the Bush Administration says!

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Right.
I wouldn't believe anything the Bush Administration says!

This is an odd way to think. If bush says the sky is blue will you disbelieve him!