Thread: Senator Obama's Memorial day speech!

I would guess that everyone has seen the news regarding Sen. Obama's mistake regarding his uncle having a hand at liberating Auschwitz, when it is found that his mother was an only child. Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians in 1945.

Later, Sen. Obama provided details that it was actually his great uncle that had a hand in liberating Buchenwald (actually a subcamp of Buchenwald called Ohrdruf on April 4, 1945).

Hey, people make mistakes all the time and both the candidates should realize by now that everything they say WILL be held against them.

Looks like while a little late, the main stream media eventually called Obama on that statement.

Originally Posted by gatorfan

I would guess that everyone has seen the news regarding Sen. Obama's mistake regarding his uncle having a hand at liberating Auschwitz, when it is found that his mother was an only child. Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians in 1945.

Later, Sen. Obama provided details that it was actually his great uncle that had a hand in liberating Buchenwald (actually a subcamp of Buchenwald called Ohrdruf on April 4, 1945).

Hey, people make mistakes all the time and both the candidates should realize by now that everything they say WILL be held against them.

Looks like while a little late, the main stream media eventually called Obama on that statement.

Maybe Obama is trying to convey his heroic heritage? Because we only elect heroes as President... At any rate, I'm glad Auschwitz was finally liberated

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Of course you could talk to the Irish theres enough commonality there, I mean pull out a bottle of good whiskey and you can get everyone at the table to be quiet long enough for discussions to begin. Make it a big enough bottle and they will stick around for a while too.

That just doesn't work with the Muslim extremest. He won't drink, and all he's interested in is virgins, yet he wraps his women up like Christmas presents every time they leave the house and considers it a sin to look at them.

You just can't talk man to man when a guy gives up wine and women theres no common ground.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Of course you could talk to the Irish theres enough commonality there, I mean pull out a bottle of good whiskey and you can get everyone at the table to be quiet long enough for discussions to begin. Make it a big enough bottle and they will stick around for a while too.

That just doesn't work with the Muslim extremest. He won't drink, and all he's interested in is virgins, yet he wraps his women up like Christmas presents every time they leave the house and considers it a sin to look at them.

You just can't talk man to man when a guy gives up wine and women theres no common ground.

I am:

• orthodox Catholic,
• active in Canadian politics, a card-carrying, libertarian member of the Conservative Party of Canada,
• Anglo-Saxon,
• Caucasian and,
• a friend of the United States of America, most of the time.

In other words, I'm a lot like a lot of you. But when I see comments like these, my blood boils and I think, "I hope those bastards and their "boys" suffer as humiliating a defeat in Iraq as they did in Vietnam."

Horrible, isn't it? But you Americans have done this to me, you have done this to the entire world. This is why we see anti-American sentiments as fashionable. This is why some of us go so far as to give our lives. Not because we are jealous. Not because we hate your freedom. But because of the way you act and the things you say. You were once free men (pity you had to leave the Empire, though) but now you are fearfu, Godless creatures... and you act like it. I guess all of the West does, but the rest of the West doesn't have your influence.

Please, be true to your Judeo-Christian principles and the libertarian ideas of your forefathers. Stop your wars. Open your borders, even to Mexicans, and treat us like people. We are not chattel. Let us sell our wares in your country. Stop your communist agricultural subsidies, they are destroying the third world. And please, please, please: STOP HOLLYWOOD.

As for the troubles in the British Isles? Took a lot more than a bottle of whiskey.

As for the wine? Your puritan forefathers were hardly fans.

As for the women? Modesty was once a virtue in Christendom, also. Muslim dress codes are admirable even if we disagree and prefer our women to prance about like *insert word(s)*.

And finally, if you can't find common ground with another human being, even a radical Muslim, then what does that make you? An alien?

But America's worst sin? Gillette. Yeah, even the greast patriot on this forum can deny that.

Originally Posted by Whiggamore

Horrible, isn't it? But you Americans have done this to me, you have done this to the entire world.



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I guess no one is willing to take responsibility for themselves anymore!

I honestly thinkwithout our interference the irish wars would have been settled a lot sooner than with our meddling. it's a bit arrogant on our part to think otherwise. I'll go a bit further and say that without out involvement we coulen't have gotten involved. i.e. no attacks on our soil. but then we can't avoid involvement really.

I wonder how a string on Obama's Memorial Day speech can morph into a heated discussion about the causes of 911.

In the process, however, I'd point out a subtext. Whether it's Obama or another country, it seems we've stopped listening to each other. Our friend Whiggamore points that out. I'd echo that, reminding everyone that back in '79, when Iranian students stormed our embassy and imprisoned our diplomats, while the rest of the world was tut-tutting about how sad it all was, the Canadians were rounding up as many of our people as they could, giving them Canadian passports, and smuggling them out of the country. Sounds like friends to me.

Perhaps when Canadians speak, we should listen politely instead of attacking them, whether we agree or not. I think they've earned it.

Originally Posted by Whiggamore

Please, be true to your Judeo-Christian principles and the libertarian ideas of your forefathers. Stop your wars. Open your borders, even to Mexicans, and treat us like people. We are not chattel. Let us sell our wares in your country. Stop your communist agricultural subsidies, they are destroying the third world. And please, please, please: STOP HOLLYWOOD.

As for the troubles in the British Isles? Took a lot more than a bottle of whiskey.

As for the wine? Your puritan forefathers were hardly fans.

As for the women? Modesty was once a virtue in Christendom, also. Muslim dress codes are admirable even if we disagree and prefer our women to prance about like *insert word(s)*.

And finally, if you can't find common ground with another human being, even a radical Muslim, then what does that make you? An alien?

But America's worst sin? Gillette. Yeah, even the greast patriot on this forum can deny that.

Stop my wars? Why don't you? Why do you assume that I am your problem? Lumping everyone into the same pot is cowardly. US citizens make up one of the most diverse nations on earth, and to pretend that the majority of us think the same way is a troubling error.

The border to Mexico is already wide open, and if you want to argue that it isn't, please come to my hometown and explain to me how the hundred thousand Mexicans who are here got here.

I see Canadian stuff for sale everyday.

Stop subsidies? Are you suggesting I stop paying my taxes? I almost agree with you now, except a lot of my taxes end up in Canada as foreign aid

Hollywood will stop when people stop buying its products. I'm not sure there's any other way to stop it without stripping away the people's freedom. I'm free to not watch it though, which is exhilarating

I don't admire Muslim dress code because it is a forced dress code. Are there a lot of non-Muslim Canadian women who share your admiration for that dress code? Have you mentioned to your wife that you admire it? This is a separate issue from the opposite pornographic end of the spectrum, so one does not justify the other, does it?

The only common ground I have with someone who wants to kill me or convert me is that I want to kill or convert them too as a matter of self-defense. That doesn't make me an alien, that makes me like another human being.

And if it wasn't for Gillette, someone else would have thought of it: probably a right-wing Canadian. ... aside from all of that though, I totally agree with you!

Originally Posted by Whiggamore

As for the women? Modesty was once a virtue in Christendom, also.

So was burning at the stake of anyone who dared diagree with the church, who was of a different faith, who practised herbal medicine, ... of course, that was only after the torture.
Some of the most despicable things have been done by the christians under the motto 'God wills it' (Deus Vult)

I don't blame the modern day christians for this (I don't think the sins of the father are the sins of the son) but you can't point to the good without mentioning the bad.
Christianity back then was definitely not better than christianity now.

Originally Posted by Whiggamore

Muslim dress codes are admirable even if we disagree and prefer our women to prance about like *insert word(s)*.

Muslim dress code is forced on the women by the men who rule their family.
I 'allow' my wife to choose for herself.

Have you ever been in muslim countries?
I have been in tunesia, which is pretty forward thinking for a muslim country.
In tabarka there was only 1 cafe where women were allowed to enter. scores of men were openly ogling my wife who was dressed pretty modest (shorts covering her knees, tshirt). So much for respectful.

EDIT Interestingly: this dress code does not usually apply to men. so while it is perfectly allright for me to wear shorts and a tshirt, a woman doing the same thing would be a '*insert word(s)*'?
And of course, if unmarried people have sex, it is always the fault of the woman, who is then subsequently stoned to death for seducing an innocent man.

Originally Posted by Whiggamore

I am:

• orthodox Catholic,
• active in Canadian politics, a card-carrying, libertarian member of the Conservative Party of Canada,
• Anglo-Saxon,
• Caucasian and,
• a friend of the United States of America, most of the time.

In other words, I'm a lot like a lot of you. But when I see comments like these, my blood boils and I think, "I hope those bastards and their "boys" suffer as humiliating a defeat in Iraq as they did in Vietnam."

Horrible, isn't it? But you Americans have done this to me, you have done this to the entire world. This is why we see anti-American sentiments as fashionable. This is why some of us go so far as to give our lives. Not because we are jealous. Not because we hate your freedom. But because of the way you act and the things you say. You were once free men (pity you had to leave the Empire, though) but now you are fearfu, Godless creatures... and you act like it. I guess all of the West does, but the rest of the West doesn't have your influence.

Please, be true to your Judeo-Christian principles and the libertarian ideas of your forefathers. Stop your wars. Open your borders, even to Mexicans, and treat us like people. We are not chattel. Let us sell our wares in your country. Stop your communist agricultural subsidies, they are destroying the third world. And please, please, please: STOP HOLLYWOOD.

As for the troubles in the British Isles? Took a lot more than a bottle of whiskey.

As for the wine? Your puritan forefathers were hardly fans.

As for the women? Modesty was once a virtue in Christendom, also. Muslim dress codes are admirable even if we disagree and prefer our women to prance about like *insert word(s)*.

And finally, if you can't find common ground with another human being, even a radical Muslim, then what does that make you? An alien?

But America's worst sin? Gillette. Yeah, even the greast patriot on this forum can deny that.

Thiis doesn't sound conservative????

Even for a Canadian.

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