Thread: The Large Hadron Collider

Originally Posted by xman

Is that fast enough to gain mass? I should think so. How much mass will be gained?

Me, me, me, me, me, me!!!! I remember this from high school
1/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)-1=7453 times the initial mass
How did I do?

Originally Posted by gugi

Me, me, me, me, me, me!!!! I remember this from high school
1/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)-1=7453 times the initial mass
How did I do?

That looks like the right formula to me, but I don't feel like sticking in numbers to check your answer. I hope it's safe to assume you can use a calculator

(BTW, that is not always a safe assumption)

And was his calculator calibrated?

In pharmaceutical or regulated environments, calculators are sent to the calibration people on a regular basis to see if a list of standard operations still gives the same answer.
this is done to see if a calculator is doing funny things due to premature battery failure or ic failure.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Nulear fusion is safe enough in a reactor as well. It's been done many, many times. France is building a reactor that is supposed to have a net positive energy output, together with several other countries. Planned finish date is 2050.

Having sun like conditions in an enclosed space is not a big deal, because the amount of particles we're talking about is so small that they can't do damage on a catastrophical level.

Chernobyl? Three Mile Island?

I saw your but allow me to respond

Both were not fusion. the fusion process does not leave the highly toxic and radioactive waste, and uses chemically harmless compounds.

And while the reaction itself is as hot as the core of the sun, the amount of material that reaches those temperatures is small. So even if the whole process would go out of hand, it would not be comparable to a thermonuclear weapon..

Furthermore, the problem with chernobyl was not the physical demolition (which was limited to the site) but the escape of large quantities of highly radioactive and toxic material that spread across asia and europe.
Fusion does not have that problem. If the worst comes to the worst, you'll lose the site and the energy input on the grid, but that is where it stops.

Ok you might have to deal with the demons from hell escaping to our world through the dimensional rip, but that is what double barreled shotguns are for.

Bruno,

All in all, I am just having some fun with my comments in regards to high energy safety, or lack thereof.

Thanks for the clarification in regards to the fission/fusion differences. That should be interesting!

OK, so they are already getting some results from their experiments!

This is cool stuff!

A major research institution recently announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been named Bushcronium.

Bushcronium has a single neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 76 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an Atomic mass of 313. These 313 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since Bushcronium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can still be detected as it impedes any reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Bushcronium causes one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would normally take less than a second.

Bushcronium has a normal half-life of multiples of 4 years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Bushcronium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Bushcronium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as “Critical Morass.”

When catalyzed with money, Bushcronium activates Foxnewsium, an element which radiates orders of magnitude, more energy, albeit as incoherent noise, since it has 1/2 as many peons but twice as many morons.

Originally Posted by xman

Is that fast enough to gain mass? I should think so. How much mass will be gained?

X

Oops, already covered, in better detail.

The big thing is that the collisions are energetic enough to create/uncover the particles and interactions that have been theorized.

The LHC has the capability of running heavy ion bunches as well, which wouldn't travel as fast as the regular proton bunches but their higher initial mass allows for an overall increase in collision energy.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Chernobyl? Three Mile Island?

Originally Posted by Bruno

I saw your but allow me to respond

Both were not fusion. the fusion process does not leave the highly toxic and radioactive waste, and uses chemically harmless compounds.

And while the reaction itself is as hot as the core of the sun, the amount of material that reaches those temperatures is small. So even if the whole process would go out of hand, it would not be comparable to a thermonuclear weapon..

Furthermore, the problem with chernobyl was not the physical demolition (which was limited to the site) but the escape of large quantities of highly radioactive and toxic material that spread across asia and europe.
Fusion does not have that problem. If the worst comes to the worst, you'll lose the site and the energy input on the grid, but that is where it stops.

Ok you might have to deal with the demons from hell escaping to our world through the dimensional rip, but that is what double barreled shotguns are for.

Just one other comment on Chernobyl; there were dangers inherent to the design of the reactor, and the conditions under which the "incident" occurred could certainly be called abnormal. Read the Wikipedia article for more information, I found it to be very enlightening.

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

Just one other comment on Chernobyl; there were dangers inherent to the design of the reactor, and the conditions under which the "incident" occurred could certainly be called abnormal. Read the Wikipedia article for more information, I found it to be very enlightening.

In other words, people screw up. Even scientists and engineers.