Thread: Socialism Works!

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Xman, thats the most beautiful part of it. Man is endowed by his creator, this takes the power of endowment out of the hands of other men. The government was not meant to be trusted with the power of endowment of individual liberty, government has no right to allocate liberty or deny liberty, the only proper function of government is the protection of that liberty. Amen!

You are mistaken. Your liberty is granted to you by men whether you would like to think of it that way or not. Here in Canada though, the courts have the final say over governments in their struggle to circumvent rights since we have a Declaration of Rights and Freedoms attached to our constitution which they consult.

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Originally Posted by xman

You are mistaken. Your liberty is granted to you by men whether you would like to think of it that way or not...

X

I'm sure George III held similar sentiments...

Originally Posted by honedright

I'm sure George III held similar sentiments...

Actually George was a monarchist (obviously) and believed that there was an invisible man who imbued him with the responsibility of endowing rights.

X-man is my hero.

Originally Posted by Disburden

X-man is my hero.

Super!

Originally Posted by xman

You are mistaken. Your liberty is granted to you by men whether you would like to think of it that way or not. Here in Canada though, the courts have the final say over governments in their struggle to circumvent rights since we have a Declaration of Rights and Freedoms attached to our constitution which they consult.

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No sir I am not mistaken, nor am I Canadian. It would really suck to think I am dependent on others for my own well being. In order to avoid the religous debate that would ensue I will simply say that I much prefer the love of God and the government that has been instituted here in the U.S. than the arbitrary fancies of some self seeking politician.

From Bastiat "The Law" -

The Results of Legal Plunder:

"It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.


What are the consequences of such a perversion? It would require volumes to describe them all. Thus we must content ourselves with pointing out the most striking.


In the first place, it erases from everyone's conscience the distinction between justice and injustice.


No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain degree. The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them.


The nature of law is to maintain justice. This is so much the case that, in the minds of the people, law and justice are one and the same thing. There is in all of us a strong disposition to believe that anything lawful is also legitimate. This belief is so widespread that many persons have erroneously held that things are "just" because law makes them so. Thus, in order to make plunder appear just and sacred to many consciences, it is only necessary for the law to decree and sanction it. Slavery, restrictions, and monopoly find defenders not only among those who profit from them but also among those who suffer from them."


Does this explain why some accept, or at least tolerate, socialism?

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

... It would really suck to think I am dependent on others for my own well being. ...

'Suck' it up. We are a pack animal. We gather in collective groups and liberties as well as responsibilities are agreed upon by the group. That Declaration of Independence is a document written by men, no different from any other document written by men. It is 'men' who will be the arbiter of your rights and responsibilities in enforcing that or any other document. Just like Soilant Green, 'It's people"!

X

I was actually laughing when I read this thread!

A couple of questions:
1: How many of you have actually been in scandinavia (Norway, Sweden & Denmark)?
2: If democracy is a government elected by the people in that country, wouldn't it be a fair measurement of democracy to see how many % of it's people actually bothers to vote.
3: Another measurement of how good a country is to live in would be how many inmates it's prisons have: The United States has 5% of the world's population and 23.6% of the world's prison population.

Don't take me wrong here, I have lived in the US for over a year now and love it, but I have always been puzzled by the extreme socialist-fear over here.

Originally Posted by flyboy

Don't take me wrong here, I have lived in the US for over a year now and love it, but I have always been puzzled by the extreme socialist-fear over here.

Nazi Germany, East Germany, Soviet Union and her satellites, Red China, Pol Pots Cambodia, Canada, etc....